Alan - just ban circumcision on all under - 18s - irrespective of religion.

I absolutely agree - there should be no cosmetic surgical altering allowed by anyone, including the person themselves, before the person can vote.

But its hard to slot that in as an issue with Islamic Kuffarphobia, or with the 4 Freedoms, or with any political grouping at all.

Not everything concerned with freedom involves Islam Alan. Islam is the main life-threatening enemy, and the greatest threat to freedom as we understand it. But the leftist- liberals are a serious threat; they run the schools and own the media and have political power. Though the communists have murdered millions, it is the Muslims that I fear physically. The socialists and muslims both want absolute power over the human spirit, and have each their own perverted definition of freedom.

Define freedom.

Issues like circumcision and breast implants for minors, sex surgery and the like are more moral issue (FGM is simply a crime). What adults do to children, minors is about the child's freedom and rights. Though not the main concern of 4F it remains a side issue. I am not as involved in say issues like religious freedom because they side-track me from my main concern- The War With Islam. I am bound to fight socialism too now because they are taking away our main weapon=speech.

I notice writers getting side-tracked into defended their moral agenda( I'm not a racist, I don't believe in political violence), when they should concentrate on the two main issues- the damage the socialists are doing and the spread of Islam.

It is about race and I believe that political violence is going to be necessary. Not terrorism but legitimate political force when we gain power.

Phil - I agree ! - anyway, the issue of Islam is not the only issue we care about - and some of the core issues may be interlinked.

You are right, but I have to keep things simple so as not to be overwhelmed. I admire your tenacity.

Lawmakers to target Pentagon pedophiles ; https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-03/lawmakers-target-pentagon...

Bradford pupils start petition against skirt ban - the school claims it was introduced for gender neutrality - i doubt it - I'd suggest they were pandering to muslims ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I02d_1tBO38

A lesbian feminist forcing her gender-neutral ideology on others. Why not force all of the girls to wear the hijab so that the policy is religion-neutral too. The skirt is in the Western world a symbol of female identity. In a free society a girl must be allowed to choose whether to wear a skirt or trousers. The LGBT crowd will cerainly argue that boys should be allowed to choose whether to wear trousers or a skirt, or do they want to force boys to wear skirts. This is not about uniformity it is about forcing someone to do something against their will and taking away their freedom.
This headteacher is needlessly pitting one group against another, she is not listening to what the pupils want, she is forcing her unsound ideals on them and discriminating heterosexual children.

A Cut Too Far ; https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0006wj8

There is a Christian church that does not baptise children at birth, but when they are considered old enough to choose baptism. Of course being brought up in that church they are unlikely to say no. Likewise I would say it is wrong to circumcise babies. Few adults would choose circumcision unless there was a definite medical reason. This stuff about cancer does not hold water because penis hygiene can be taught.

FGM is a different matter entirely.

Men that abuse women and children cannot claim to be civilised.
How human beings(men) have behaved for many thousands of years:
See Netflix/NOVA documentary: First Face of America.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7984792/
The 13000 year old complete skeleton of a fifteen year old girl was found recently in a flooded cave in Mexico, she had damage to her pelvis due to having given birth when too young to have done so. She also had damage to her arm bones that we nowadays associate with the physical abuse of children. Human bones from this period are rare, elsewhere male bones with signs of armed combat have been found; a healed bone wound made by a stone axe.
An interesting note about human evolution here: "He believes that these early migrants were an aggressive breed — risk-takers and novelty-seekers. They chased wild game, including megafauna such as mastodons and saber-toothed cats, into unpopulated lands far from their ancestral hunting grounds.
But later, as their descendants settled down and adopted agriculture, natural selection favored a gentler sort of personality, and men and women took on softer, more feminine features, Chatters argues. This tendency toward “neotony,” or natural selection of more childlike features, has been seen across much of the world, he said."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/girls-12000-...

Study shows babies naturally distinguish races and easily link them to languages ; https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2019/07/16/study-shows-babies... - quick - better round up all these Nazi Babies and send them off to re-education camps and pump them full of whatever pharmaceuticals the Corporations say will cure them !

The first requirement of life is that it survives. Otherwise there would be no life. I would say that our most fundamental instinct is to survive. Already as a baby we instinctively understand what threats to our survival are. Other studies show that there is a lack of empathy between races, people are more likely to help their own kind and not care about the fate of the others. Children need protection and to feel safe, they are more likely to get this from their own kind and they know it.

Male circumcision - a cut too far ; https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0006wj8/a-cut-too-far-male-c...

Muslim groomers still active in Telford!

Not sure where to put this, as we have not got an economics section - an interesting and little known fact about the economist Keynes ; http://voxday.blogspot.com/2019/07/pedo-economics.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/more-children-than-ever-working-...
This is from 1998. Children as young as eleven being used.
https://listverse.com/2016/05/03/10-facts-about-prostitution-in-the...
During the Victorian era, the age of consent was only 13 years old. Child labor still existed at the time. Many lower-class people saw their children as commodities because they could bring income into the family. Boys and girls as young as 11 or 12 could pass as 13-year-olds and had no choice but to enter the trade if their parents sold them into it.
This has been going on throughout history. I have read reports about what is still being done to small children in Africa. Where slavery was legal women and children could be bought and abused as sex-slaves. ISIS sold slaves and had sex-slaves.
The only way to prevent this is to have an informed population that rejects it, responsible government, laws against it, and an incorruptible and effective police force.

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2019/08/01/un-sexual-ab...
U.N.: Sexual Abuse of Boys by U.S.-Funded Afghan Forces ‘Remains Issue of Concern’.

And that's exactly where it will remain, as an "issue of concern". There will be lots of empty talk going nowhere because its a lethal cocktail of ethnic practices that shouldn't be spoken about, and the failure of that military strategy.  Also, this was cute, from his holiness the Obama entity:

U.S. law prohibits the American military from funding foreign forces accused of engaging gross violations of human rights, like bacha bazi. However, former President Barack Obama’s administration “issued policy guidance authorizing” the U.S. to waive the ban, the U.S. Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR), a watchdog agency, reported in January 2018.

https://nypost.com/2019/08/02/monsters-kidnap-toddler-in-india-befo...

"Two savages kidnapped a 3-year-old girl from a train station in India, gang-raped her, and when she screamed, cut off her head, according to horrifying reports."

Just one story about the reality of what is being done to children around the world. 

The leftist-liberal-open-borders crowd just do not understand the evil side of human nature.

Pharmacist spared jail ; https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7426595/Pharmacist-spared-...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7426595/Pharmacist-spared-...
A nutcase with access to poisons and all kinds of dangerous drugs.

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2019/09/11/shiite-musli...
Shiite Muslim Head-Cutting Ceremony Leaves Worshipers, Children Covered in Blood.

A PROUD MOTHER: the insanity that is islam.

Gender theory pioneer admits "we made it all up" ; https://quillette.com/2019/09/17/i-basically-just-made-it-up-confes... 

gender:
a. Either of the two divisions, designated female and male, by which most organisms are classified on the basis of their reproductive organs and functions; sex.
(b. One's identity as female or male or as neither entirely female nor entirely male.)=nonsense.
If you have testicles and feel that you are a woman you are mistaken!

Underage girls in Bangladesh brothels - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-49830565/inside-one-of-the... - it seems there is a market for them over there, and there is a large Bangladeshi community over here.. so....

It is a question of what a culture finds acceptable. We might as well be on different planets. It should have been obvious to the majority in our culture that people from fundamentally different cultures should not be allowed to settle in our lands FOR OBVIOUS REASONS!
Our politicians are to blame because they cannot claim ignorance. What is normal behaviour in Muslim and African countries is strictly illegal in Britain and other Western countries. Therefore people from these lands should not be allowed to settle here because when there are large groups of them they will behave in these groups in exactly the same manner that they do in countries of origin. Their attitudes to issues like rape and theft will never be the same as ours, they will just develope ways of avoiding interference from our police. As is evident to every normal person that witnesses the criminal and hostile behaviour of large minority populations. The molestation of children being just one example.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/09/29/uk-police-failing-sexua...
Sexual Predators Could Be in Police, 35,000 Officers ‘Not Properly Vetted’.

https://twitter.com/bbcworld/status/1179874553100668930?s=11

Girls as young as 12 are being pimped by Iraqi Muslim Shia clerics through “pleasure marriages” A @BBCArabic investigation found vulnerable women exploited by the controversial practice which allows a man to pay for a temporary wife

I think they go as low as nine years old and boys are also fucked.

2000 children in UK suffer witchcraft related abuse ; https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/withcraft-exorcism-...

This voodoo is of course not happening in the English community.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCLtV8Htefk
Jack Straw on Muslim rape gangs - "Listen, pal: it's Pakistanis, not Asians"
The only way to stop this crime is to send the criminals and their whole families back to Pakistan.

https://www.tr.news/honest-muslim-paedophile-its-ok-to-rape-a-child...
Honest Muslim Paedophile – It’s OK To Rape A Child!.

Epstein was a Mossad agent used to blackmail American politicians ; https://www.zerohedge.com/political/epstein-was-mossad-agent-used-b...

These billionaires are known to be apt to buy the services of young women, which would be okay as long as the women do so of their own free will, however great wealth and power allows them to indulge in their perversions. If this breaks the law, as in the abuse of children, they have to be prosecuted. I imagine though that there are corrupt countries where they can get away with doing whatever they like.

Jews are known to tend to help each other out. The Muslims also do this in a much more sinister way. We mostly look more favourable on our own kind, like the British in the days of Empire.

Can you imagine the glee if the Democrats could get hold of pictures of Trump fucking a 14 year old.

Politicians and public figures should be aware that they can be exposed, but like most criminals they think they can get away with it.

Should terrorists be forgiven ? ; https://www.rt.com/uk/476187-british-schoolkids-suicide-bombing-hom...

Should terrorists be forgiven ?

NO NEVER.

Case for circumcision weakening ; https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/insight-therapy/201912/pain...

There has to be a well-founded and legitimate medical reason for a surgeon to be allowed to cut into anyone's body, especially someone under the age of consent. Anyone mutilating a girl's genitals should get a very long jail sentence. But then why are these people in our country in the first place?

Immigrant gang dominance crime ; https://sputniknews.com/society/201912181077604058-sweden-in-uproar...

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/01/17/grooming-gangs-whistleb...
Grooming Gangs Whistleblower: Police Who Turned Blind Eye to Abuse Must Be Prosecuted.
Amen!
It's called dereliction of duty.

Moral inversion in Newham, London ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zwRoOeEjsY&feature=em-uploademail

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnxfohTYS3U
These creatures should all have their citizenship cancelled and be deported to Pakistan on release.

Swedish Court Convicts Somali Migrant for Raping Nine-Year-Old

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/07/23/swedish-court-convicts-...

Circumcision risks ; https://www.sunnewsonline.com/tribal-marks-circumcision-increase-ch...

” The students had discussed an article about a mother of one of the victims who had forgiven the bomber for killing her son. "
Forgiving a violent criminal is disgusting. Had someone raped and murdered my daughter I would carve him slowly into small pieces.
Having worked in schools I can say that there is something fundamentally wrong with our education system, it was decided a few decades ago that the main purpose was to teach children social skills- to be good people. With all of the virtues of tolerance and self-criticism. Which has ended with belief that bad people somehow deserve forgiveness.

Paedophile Labour councillor walks free ; https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8568833/Paedophile-Labour-...