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Joe replied to Arthur's discussion 'WHY TRY TO TAKE BABY FROM EDL MOTHER BUT NOT FROM ‘TERRORISTS’?' in the group UK Room
"Shiva, I doubt very much that Patrick Hayes, Ted Jeory and John Hemming would all be touching this case at all if they did not have good reason to believe what this woman is saying (or if they have independent evidence e.g. having seen the…"
Jun 22, 2012
paul collings replied to Arthur's discussion 'WHY TRY TO TAKE BABY FROM EDL MOTHER BUT NOT FROM ‘TERRORISTS’?' in the group UK Room
"There is now a lot of net chat, and reports about this case. And as i've said finding the truth is going to be hard. The one thing that is true is that  Mrs mcleod can say what she likes, where as the social services cannot discuss the…"
Jun 22, 2012
shiva replied to Arthur's discussion 'WHY TRY TO TAKE BABY FROM EDL MOTHER BUT NOT FROM ‘TERRORISTS’?' in the group UK Room
"Yo Arthur and Paul  Earlier in the thread Joe pointed out that Ted Jeory can be a reliable reporter, well I did a little checking, and I find that Ted can be relied on.(Maybe)  Now Arthur said: Shiva, the express said they had seen…"
Jun 21, 2012
paul collings replied to Arthur's discussion 'WHY TRY TO TAKE BABY FROM EDL MOTHER BUT NOT FROM ‘TERRORISTS’?' in the group UK Room
" Yep said better than i could. If spiked have seen the paperwork from social services as well, and it indicates some future ideological 'crime' has a part to play in the children being taken into care, then we are heading into a…"
Jun 21, 2012
Antony replied to Arthur's discussion 'WHY TRY TO TAKE BABY FROM EDL MOTHER BUT NOT FROM ‘TERRORISTS’?' in the group UK Room
"Punished For Supporting the EDL ; http://www.spiked-online.com/site/article/12563/"
Jun 21, 2012
paul collings replied to Arthur's discussion 'WHY TRY TO TAKE BABY FROM EDL MOTHER BUT NOT FROM ‘TERRORISTS’?' in the group UK Room
""Contrary to what some people may think, children are not removed from their parents at the drop of a hat or for no good reason, and Toni McLeod is no…"
Jun 21, 2012
Arthur replied to Arthur's discussion 'WHY TRY TO TAKE BABY FROM EDL MOTHER BUT NOT FROM ‘TERRORISTS’?' in the group UK Room
"I'm not even going to try to defend the woman, I post on a forum where John Hemming also posts and he has seen the case papers and says that her membership of EDL paid a big part in what is going on. She was arrested at an EDL demo and referred…"
Jun 21, 2012
shiva replied to Arthur's discussion 'WHY TRY TO TAKE BABY FROM EDL MOTHER BUT NOT FROM ‘TERRORISTS’?' in the group UK Room
"Yo. I have not found fault with Ted Jeory,s reporting, in fact, seen by his comments, we get a better insight. Now correct me if I am wrong. Documents seen by the Sunday Express reveal social workers are worried about Mrs McLeod’s previous…"
Jun 18, 2012
Joe replied to Arthur's discussion 'WHY TRY TO TAKE BABY FROM EDL MOTHER BUT NOT FROM ‘TERRORISTS’?' in the group UK Room
""Contrary to what some people may think, children are not removed from their parents at the drop of a hat or for no good reason, and Toni McLeod is no different." I know that Shiva is trying to look at this case dispassionately.  And…"
Jun 18, 2012
shiva replied to Arthur's discussion 'WHY TRY TO TAKE BABY FROM EDL MOTHER BUT NOT FROM ‘TERRORISTS’?' in the group UK Room
"How did the Express gain access to confidential documents, Leverson any one. Arthur. I assume this is Arthur, a long standing member of EDL. This is a good question.  Firstly, there is no mention, or quote from confidential documents, the…"
Jun 18, 2012
Arthur replied to Kinana's discussion 'Proud and Prejudiced' in the group UK Room
"I think that Tommy did well until the last quarter, when he buggered it up a bit. Arthur."
Feb 27, 2012
Arthur added a discussion to the group UK Room
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EDL Jewish division hope that EDL patriot should be raped.

I don't post a lot here but I hope that people will see that I have always been a loyal supporter of EDL and have turned out for demos and defend the EDL where ever I can.I post on some 20 forums defending EDL and try to give us a positive image and some times this is hard work because there are people who rant and rave and make us look like extremists.There is a thread on the new EDL forum discussing Roberta Moore and many of us believe that some of these rants are a step too far and…See More
Jun 27, 2011
Arthur replied to blue panic's discussion 'The Perfect Government' in the group UK Room
"Good post there mate.   Arthur."
Feb 11, 2011
Arthur replied to sarah's discussion 'Request to EDL for help' in the group UK Room
"Sarah, do you have more detail.   Arthur."
Feb 8, 2011
Arthur replied to sarah's discussion 'On the EDL Mission Statement On Aims And Human Rights' in the group UK Room
"Sarah, EDL want nothing to do with the BNP or it's racist policies, just because some in EDL had links with the BNP does not mean they still do. It is not a matter of fighting the BNP, more one of ignoring them and I have to say that I and many…"
Jan 28, 2011
Arthur replied to sarah's discussion 'Sweet Video Tyneside patriots Military Division' in the group UK Room
"Brilliant video, thanks for that. Arthur."
Jan 26, 2011

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Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)
4. SP Freedom from Over-spending
People should not be charged for government systems which they reject, and which give them no benefit. For example, the government cannot pass a debt burden across generations (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is be deducible by equal application of law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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