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At 17:02 on February 28, 2011, Pat McCrann said…
All I can say is God help us. Can you post that up to 4freedoms?
At 14:07 on February 28, 2011, Pat McCrann said…
Hi julietsm, no need to apologise. What was the thing you were going to tell me?
At 4:25 on January 24, 2011, Alan Lake said…

Sorry, these links get broken when I change headings.  The Pastor Jones interview is here:

At 4:19 on January 24, 2011, Alan Lake said…

Forget about the presentation to the Church. Thats old style.  Would you make a presentation to Adolf Hitler's supporters?


Try get together with a few guys.  One holds a big camera but there should also be hidden ones.  Go into a church where they have a pro-Sharia bishop or other slimebag. Then read out a long list of the attrocities, genocide and ethnic cleansing being perpetrated on Christians in Indonesia, Philippines, Nigeria, Egypt, Turkey, etc, etc.  You can do this before he starts his sermon, after all, its not worth hearing what he has to say.  If you don't fancy that, then challenge him in argument as he's walking somewhere, take him out of his cowardly little comfort zone of submission.


Whats the point of this?  Well, whatever they do in response, they lose.  If the bishop calls for security to throw you out, you have a priceless video for youtube showing how these so-called Christians will even suppress the news of Christian oppression, and those poor suffering communities abroad can see this, and possibly break away in disgust. The bishop should be humiliated by his mendacity.  Any decent members of his congregation surely, cannot fail to see the contradiction in this position and rise against it.


On the other hand, if they do nothing, then instead of them hearing a stupid sermon from an asshole bishop, they get to hear some real news about some real Christians, are then able to inform others intelligently about what is actually happening in the world, and may even be motivated to take action themselves!


The beauty of all this is that, unlike a direct complaint against an Islamist group, there's no risk of physical violence here. The worst that will happen, from what I've seen of church congregations, is that you will be escorted out of the building by security or by some of the larger church members. You still have the video, and they're still in a lose-lose situation.

At 10:59 on January 21, 2011, Kinana said…
At 8:31 on January 20, 2011, Kinana said…

Welcome Juliet.  I look forward to your participation here.  You may want to join the USA room.


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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