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Islam or Christianity: Which one provides a comprehensive solution for British society? 16th Oct 2009

Posted on October 17, 2009 at 10:48 3 Comments

‘Islam or Christianity: which one provides a comprehensive solution for British society?’

About sixty people assembled in the auditorium of the East London Tabernacle, Mile End on Friday evening (16th October) to listen to this debate between Cllr Alan Craig and Adnam Rashid of the Hittin Institute.

Cllr Craig, of Newham Council (since 2002), and Leader of the Christian People’s Alliance, has already made a reputation for himself by leading public opposition to the… Continue

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At 1:53 on February 24, 2010, Alan Lake said…
Yes please!
At 20:22 on February 23, 2010, Richard Londonbourne said…
Alan, I am ready to go at any time. Did you want me to send your letter to Gerard Batten as you have written it?
At 17:59 on February 21, 2010, Alan Lake said…
I came across the Lord Pearson video by chance, so here's the link:
At 20:59 on November 3, 2009, Kinana said…
deed done. you should probably join the theology room now!
At 15:22 on November 3, 2009, Kinana said…
thanks for your comment on the eve. may i post it on your behalf? i think it is worth putting it up as a blog post, in the theology room if not in the main home page. the theology room is
At 9:32 on November 3, 2009, Kinana said…
any thoughts on the latest debate effort by Alan Craig? i wonder also if and how the organisation or atmosphere was different since a different Muslim group was involved.
At 9:35 on October 16, 2009, Kinana said…
hey RL, you might want to give Alan some support on his blog here
i look forward to your report re the debate tonight
At 8:40 on October 13, 2009, Kinana said…
thanks for my first laugh of the day!
At 8:35 on October 13, 2009, Kinana said…
'Islam or Christianity: Which One Provides Comprehensive Solutions for the British Society'

mentioned here

you indicated that your were attending!

good morning
At 23:55 on October 12, 2009, Kinana said…
Dear RL
if you make it to the debate on Fri can you do us a report on 4F?

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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