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Tha Grenadier added a discussion to the group UK Room

What really did happen? This is a little long so please persevere.

What really did happen?  This is a little long so please persevere.My name is Allan Hetherington-Cleverley.I have been thinking about publishing this for some time, but up until last Wednesday the 27th February 2013 at 0010 in the morning I had been putting it off.The IncidentOn the morning of the 26th February 2013 I was accused of a very serious offence, this was done in order to pervert the course of justice in another case concerning some one else. Because of this allegation I had phoned…See More
Mar 7, 2013
Tha Grenadier replied to Alan Lake's discussion 'Medieval Barbarity, the Criminal Justice System, and Nick Lowles' in the group UK Room
"Medieval Barbarity, the Criminal Justice System. Well we can certainly see that this fool is Barbaric on a medieval scale! However it’s not as bad as some things that are being done, (usually to innocent and defenceless people) in other parts…"
Apr 16, 2012
Tha Grenadier posted a status
" Please would you Sign this petition and re-post, Thank you."
Mar 6, 2012
Tha Grenadier replied to Alan Lake's discussion 'Xmas 2010: nine men remanded over plan to blow up Big Ben and Westminster Abbey' in the group UK Room
"The Dim Wit in the left hand photograph is one of Anjims rent boy,s, seen him on lots of Anjims demos."
Jan 4, 2011
Tha Grenadier commented on Netcon's group 'Press Room'
"were are the speechess for Peterbourough"
Dec 10, 2010
Tha Grenadier replied to Alan Lake's discussion 'UFC: Tommy Robinson v. George Galloway at Talksport Radio' in the group *Argumentation Room
"This Interview should never have hapend, I would be happy to take on smilling George but only if there was an unbiest mediater, and George would lose, 1st befor it started he would be given the good news that if he started all that ignaramus shit…"
Dec 10, 2010
Tha Grenadier replied to Joe's discussion 'SWP Aristocrats Incensed over Comments by Preston Police' in the group UK Room
""Most trade unions have signed up as well" What he really means is that the people who run the trade Unions signed up, The members don’t have a choice."
Nov 28, 2010
Tha Grenadier replied to OldWarDog's discussion 'Muslim Artist Depicts 7/7 bombers as Angels' in the group UK Room
"Well I’m not sure about this painting, It looks like the dead being taken to heaven ? At least that is how I interpret it. Now if that is the situation then I think we should give this artist a bit of slack, we should ask ourselves if we are…"
Nov 28, 2010
Tha Grenadier commented on Netcon's group 'United States'
"I am afraid I have to agree with and align myself with Rabbi Nachum Shifren when he says “I will never reconcile myself with Islam, ANY ISLAM, and gladly give myself to the fight to vanquish it“. I know its EDL policy that we appose…"
Nov 28, 2010
Alan Lake replied to Tha Grenadier's discussion 'Votes for Prisoners' in the group UK Room
"For me this is all about the global financial realities. You and I are subject to global forces of economic competition, and have to work hard to compete with companies for products, services and labour in China and India, etc. So, what are…"
Nov 23, 2010
Tom Hough replied to Tha Grenadier's discussion 'Votes for Prisoners' in the group UK Room
"Here in Louisiana letting convicts vote would be a disaster. Votes in Louisiana are a form of currency. We expect something for our vote. Our prisoners may be lawless and immoral but they are not stupid. They know if they vote as a block they can…"
Nov 13, 2010
Tha Grenadier replied to Alan Lake's discussion 'Mosque Gangs Reassert Control over East London Dar al Islam - 20Jun10' in the group UK
"There sad Bastards"
Oct 30, 2010
Tha Grenadier replied to Kinana's discussion 'Christian Values in the Quran?' in the group Theology Room
"I am Not of the Book, I am a pagan, I did not becom a pagan becase i felt i wanted something the other main line religions could not give me. I was born in to it, my mother and Grandmother and all my mothers befor them were Pagans, they practiced…"
Oct 30, 2010
Tha Grenadier replied to Alan Lake's discussion 'Kent Police concerned over veterans' violent crime' in the group UK
"Heather, I dont know if you have kids or not but i do and sometimes i dont like them but i always love them and i think our Queen is the same, we can not blame her for what her kids do. The Queen has worked tierlessly for Britian and its people, she…"
Oct 26, 2010
Tha Grenadier replied to Alan Lake's discussion 'Kent Police concerned over veterans' violent crime' in the group UK Room
"The sense of of betrayal is large but this is felt towards the Mungrels in Parlement and NOT towards our Queen or even the other members of the Royal family. When i think of all my lost frends and even the young men of this generation who are doing…"
Oct 21, 2010
Tha Grenadier replied to Alan Lake's discussion 'The EDL And How To Stop Them' in the group UK Room
"I found this both amusing and inlightening all at the same time, Enlightening becase it gives us a glimps in to the delusional mind that has produced this and amusing speeks for its self. I think we could do quit a lot if we went out in our towns…"
Oct 21, 2010

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At 12:03 on July 20, 2010, lee highdale said…
Well I think its safe to say we are on the same page concerning this i am going to prepare something only I want to tell them to their face,I travelled down on a coach and it was fucking ridiculous drink,drink,drink by all means have 2 cans and drink on the way back it the sad truth Alan they looked like a gang of wankers and am not speaking for a gang of wankers the U.A.F are laughing at them Islam is laughing at them their not laughing at me,Alan L said their is going to be a secure site for x-military only its up to us to keep it secure i was sent a link last night but couldn't access it we have to keep this x-military I personally think theirs a majority of E.D.L supporters who think this is a game its gonna have to change and its the lads like us who know how to change it,it needs discipline before it can move forward
At 7:25 on May 8, 2010, dean said…
welcome to 4freedoms grenadier.
At 7:20 on March 28, 2010, Alan Lake said…
Hi Grenadier! You probably want to join the UK Room (its under the Europe tab).
Also, check out this discussion:

Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)
4. SP Freedom from Over-spending
People should not be charged for government systems which they reject, and which give them no benefit. For example, the government cannot pass a debt burden across generations (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is be deducible by equal application of law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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