"yeah i agree, tommy said the right things too, he never come on with some "im superior to you" attitude to be shot down in flames. saying instead hes the voice because there is no other voice to represent the people.
i have a feeling there…"
"RELIGIOUS SLAUGHTER (reply from defra) Thank you for your detailed response of 26 January. To clarify the legal position with regard to religious slaughter, Directive 93/119/EC permits an exemption from the requirement to stun animals for methods of…"
"its not been my work, im awaiting permisson from a friend to publish a reply she received from defra today.
she had wrote to them regarding this.
we may be able to break the issue down and pursue it through animal rights, as the laws was…"
"well i believe basically muslims are monopolising the meat industry. they also take a share of the profit for a tax to go towards the islamic community, (why not the whole community? discrimination?)
i was unsuccessful in trying to find out the…"
"alan i have some interesting legal documents here, i am unsure as to the validity of the documents as of now,(laws may have been amended) but should they actually be still in force they may be very helpful. the first is the exemption from stunning…"
"splitting demos is a good idea, although large single demos hold good water too. 1. people travel less distance, should help total numbers 2. it divides an already thin on the ground enemy(these are getting virtually free if not totally free…"
"i believe the demonstrations are invaluable, but i do think theyre not been utilised to their full potential. Firstly, it should be realised how difficult it is to achieve numbers of protestors turning up to campaign any event to highlight a cause.…"
Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them.
At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.
Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.
We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.
The 4 Freedoms
These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 1. SP Freedom of Speech Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms 2. SP Freedom of Election Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms 3. SP Freedom of Movement The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration) 4. SP Freedom from Over-spending
People should not be charged for government systems which they reject, and which give them no benefit. For example, the government cannot pass a debt burden across generations (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is be deducible by equal application of law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"