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Alan Lake replied to shiva's discussion 'Allah,s Angels of Death' in the group Kuffarphobia via Crime, 2-Tier Justice & Parasitism
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At 3:41 on August 16, 2012, Danny Jeffrey said…


I have long held the belief that the adherents of Islam were but a tool of the New World Order and when power was established they would be discarded. Now, i fear it may be the other way around. This would seem to indicate that everything we are seeing today is rooted in the Islamic effort for world control. I am currently in the process of reading the most dangerous information that I have ever seen.

Looking forward to your thoughts...


At 16:38 on August 14, 2012, Danny Jeffrey said…

Your SHTF video is perfectly timed. One thing I do in preparing an essay is to begin the article by giving it a tentative name and then start collecting background data into the site. I had just begun a new one at the moment entitled "The growing division". I added some info about the death of Martin Luther King's dream and the the next thing was to open your message. Quite a coincidence. I shall certainly be using the video you have just provided.

As always, Thank you.


At 16:26 on August 14, 2012, Danny Jeffrey said…


I love what you are doing with the Art/Photos. A nice slice of history. Great work...As always.


At 21:13 on August 6, 2012, Danny Jeffrey said…


I have a FB friend in Jakarta named George McKay you may find interesting.

He posts a daily site

I find him interesting from the aspect that most American think of Islam as only being a Middle Eastern Phenomenon. I don' t think most are even aware of the Indonesian variety.


At 7:06 on June 28, 2012, Danny Jeffrey said…

Several times you have offered your opinion should I have a question about a photo. Well, I do. The image in this article shows three men carrying what is supposed to be the bodies of three children.

From my time on the internet and my knowledge of Islam I have become a super skeptic and must question whether this is real or staged for shock value in the west.

There are several things in that photo that I must question. First off, are they en route to bury children or having a parade? Not knowing the burial rites of Syria I don't know if I am looking at burial shrouds or a temporary body bag. To my western mentality I would think that if they are burial shrouds then they would be of new clean cloth. If they are temporary body bags the blood would have darkened by the time a body reaches such a state of rigor, for they show no sign of sagging. They seem as rigid as a board

Sadly children are killed in time of war, and I resent Islam's great willingness to use them as pawns in the game of politics, but I look at this and it just doesn't seem quite right.

At 23:41 on December 5, 2011, Alan Lake said…

Hi Shiva,

yes, I love Ghost in the Shell, I've got every series produced. You can watch it many times and still get something out of it.  In any case, the plot is so complicated, you have to watch it several times to understand it!

And of course, I adore Motoko Kusanagi :-)


At 8:35 on November 21, 2009, Dag Walker said…
Shiva, I'm a fan of the Bielski brothers. I love them, and I love the "Take no prisoners" approach to doing the right thing, particular in times of hardship. But we live in lands where most people don't face any real hardship in daily living, are unfamiliar with real suffering, have no experience with pain and suffering to the degree most in the world take as the norm, as the way it is, the way it must be. I know you are experienced in the ways of the world, and I know I can treat you like a serious person in this regard. Those who knw only bar brawls and hang-overs and a missed meal aren't as serious as we could wish; and because they lack the experience of some we have to wait till they find it in the field or come to understand it intuitively-- from the aether. Till then, the attraction of civility will plague them, and us generally, to the grave.

I watched, from afar, the wanton slaughter of my own people at Fort Hood, Texas, men and women gunned down by a jihadi, a massacre that makes no sense from any vantage other than that of fear and misplaced civility, political correctness. What can people know of this if they've never been under fire and never been at the edge of death that takes instead those they hold dear? What man left standing can smile and look the other way? No man at all; but these don't have the experiences of some others who know deep and wide the horror of the world as it is. Maybe some of your images will cross their paths and make some impression, giving at least a bit of insight into what they will come to know first hand. And if that comes, that experience that makes interior sense, then the niceties of civility will seem thin gruel in a world of flesh and blood and other peoples' genuine suffering. Maybe then the risks involved in acting for the good will move them to abandon the falsities of sentimentality and the need to be liked and applauded. They might need to smell the air filled with blood before they can overcome the need for safety. Maybe they need to see real carnage and walk through real killing fields they cannot quell.

Till such time as people gain a deep understanding of what they face, then the theory will be just that, and they'll sway with each conversation that blows by them. It takes a turn in the world of hardship to turn the soul to stone and to crystalize ones vision.

I love the Bielsky brothers, Jews who fought back and never surrendered for an instant. If ever they acted as badly as the Nazis, then I would be dismayed: I would love to think that every atrocity they committed was far worse than anything the Nazis ever did to them. Every attack on us the jihadis commit should be our cue to counter them in such fashion they flee for centuries back the deserts of Arabia, living like Mohammed in a cave tortured by voices, fearing for their sanity. But one has to have lived a life that allows for such a feeling to arise.

It doesn't take an army to win a war like this; and an army, as we see, often does little good after all. It takes a few men with genuine commitment to the cause to make such advances as we need. Three Jewish brothers in Belorussia fought the Nazis through the war, and they won. Because they fought, others came to them, and they survived and beat the enemy, living in the forest and living free. We too have it in us to do as they did, but we don't often have the people behind us because we don't act on their behalf as yet. Instead we have Western vanguard like the Jewish leadership of the Warsaw Ghetto, like Adam Czerniakow, whose last and despicable act was to immortalise himself as a coward of cosmic proportion. The Nazis had demanded over and again that he slowly select Jews for extermination, and he complied till the last time when they demanded he send them children:

“They are demanding that I kill the children of my people with my own hands.

There is nothing for me to do but die”.

You and I have seen such things, dead children and men who kill, and men who stand by in shame and do nothing, not even the worthless act of suicide. Its not for me, this standing around worrying that others won't like me, that others will call me names, that I might face hardship in my life. If there's nothing to do but die, like the soldier at Fort Hood, then I hope at least to die fighting.

Having made those points, I do not intend to go jihadi and beat up a random Sikh or Chinese from Ceylon because I'm too stupid to think through the necessary things to identify my enemies. There's nothing random in our need at all. If we aren't thinkers, we are doomed. If we aren't cold and careful planners, we have no hope. But those without the vision in the first place are mere spectators who rush to and fro wondering which side will win and which to please to gain by it.

Israel had its self-defence groups, and from those came its army. From that army of citizens, a peoples army, came a nation. We have nations, but we lack self-defence; and we lack it because most have no idea of how we gained our nations. We gained our nations and our freedom by struggle, none of which is pretty, polite, or nice. If there are those here whoo have the insight into the nature of the world, who have the will to create anew the nations of old, the lands made through struggle against eternal enemies, Nature itself included, then let them take notice that the time is long past to move forward to victory, however small each step might be. But these people have to understand why it's important to act in the first place, and they won't necessarily get it from reading the papers and watching the television. Demonstrating in the streets, getting hit on the head, learning the lessons taught by blood, that might, for some, make the difference between current cautious civility and hard sacrifice for the people.

I have faith. Thus I remain.
At 7:28 on November 20, 2009, Dag Walker said…
Hello mate, good to see you agian.
At 23:58 on November 18, 2009, Netcon said…
Yes, you can put any real images or videos in the Sensitive Materials Room. And you can put spoofs that are funny as well.

I recommend downloading the more provocative materials (if you have time) and attaching them to the posting, so that they can't be removed (they are much safer here than on youtube).
At 10:03 on November 14, 2009, Netcon said…
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