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At 2:00 on August 17, 2016, Alan Lake said…

Oh, its a good job I followed up on it then, so I found out how you are.  Hope you get well soon!


p.s. Did you use 'Obama'care?  Because that would be rather ironic :-)

At 18:38 on August 16, 2016, Alan Lake said…

Hi Danny,

did you get an email I sent you about 10 days ago?  Maybe its gone into spam ...


At 16:19 on September 18, 2015, Philip Smeeton said…

Sorry for the insult Danny, I have every confidence in your abilities in every field. I have to do like Wyatt Earp and walk up and stick my pistol in their stomach before I pull the trigger, I hit every time.

At 18:27 on June 28, 2015, Philip Smeeton said…

The basic message of Christ is very different to Mohammed's message. LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, versus, KILL, KILL, KILL.

At 17:49 on June 28, 2015, Philip Smeeton said…

I'm not talking about how things are meant to be Danny, only how I would prefer them to be. I do not believe in meaning, that things or events have a meaning. They just are, and exist or happen due to a concrete cause. I just prefer my own kind.

At 13:56 on May 10, 2015, Philip Smeeton said…

Danny, the christian democrats are threatening to leave the government coalition if 10000 Syrian refugees are not taken in by Norway. This would mean early elections.

Its not love your neighbour, its love everyone except your Norwegian neighbour.

I hate christians, they call sex a sin and believe that it is necessary to suffer and sacrifice.

At 16:57 on May 3, 2015, Philip Smeeton said…

I just watched “American Sniper” Danny and wept. How dare they allow Muslims to behave as they do on American soil. It is like spitting on the grave of everyone that ever fought for America and for freedom.

At 9:06 on April 24, 2015, Philip Smeeton said…

It is shocking to see Danny how rapidly the Muslim population of America is growing.

At 12:51 on April 19, 2015, Philip Smeeton said…

The Muslims have a good sense of economy, a hole in the ground costs less than a mattress, They're not as stupid as I thought they were. Good one Danny.

At 9:22 on April 13, 2015, Philip Smeeton said…

Good stuff Danny. In my humble opinion Christianity destroyed the Roman Empire then went on to destroy The North. Turn the other cheek to an enemy and he will cut of your whole head. You don't have to believe in the existence of Odin and Thor in order to understand that without the warrior ethic societies become defenseless. Conscience is a matter of choice, as the islamists so clearly demonstrate; they kill without remorse.

At 16:16 on April 4, 2015, Philip Smeeton said…

It does look hopeless Danny but we haven't given up yet. Words may well yet still defeat them. Hilary Clinton will be America's first female president. Iran will develope nuclear weapons. Islam will continue to spread. It may be the end of the world as we know it, or as some believe- The actual End of The World. Even the greatest of conspiracies can fail, events may conspire against them. If I can put a spoke in their wheel I will.

At 15:51 on March 24, 2015, Philip Smeeton said…

Don't forget that the masses are like sheep Danny, easily led and subdued. They will vote and follow their leader and grumble a bit. I would be pleasantly surprised if the masses rose up, but there are no rabble-rousers on the horizon, so we're all bound to join the local islamic social club sooner or later.

At 15:50 on February 13, 2015, Alan Lake said…
At 10:21 on February 13, 2015, Philip Smeeton said…

Sorry Danny no cartoons, If I could they would all show Mohammed in various unpleasant situations.

At 22:28 on February 12, 2015, Philip Smeeton said…

Danny, I would be honored if you used any of my thoughts in your writings. As I have said before I am not interested in personal recognition, all that concerns me is winning this war. We have to win the war of words.

We are experts on a lot of things you and I Danny, just not blinkered. A scientist once said that there is nothing in science that cannot be explained in a few simple sentences, that made an impression on me. When I was looking at yoga, meditation and buddhism, one teacher there pointed out that people don't think very much at all and that ordinary people think about the same few things day after day, I knew I didn't fit into that category. I think it helps to be a painter too, I have trained up this ability for fifty years, to see the whole picture at the same time as you can see all of the details, and see whether the work is aesthetic, art and true.

One of my pet hates is morality used as a weapon, which is why I hate most politicians and priests. Am skeptical to everything and believe nothing, I just feel and react on my feelings and I know what morality really is,at least for me.

At 12:25 on February 5, 2015, Alan Lake said…

Thanks for the connection on Civil Asset Forfeiture, Danny.  It is definitely scary.  I don't think we have that in the UK though.

At 6:45 on January 21, 2015, Tony Ashworth said…
Well as hard hitting as it's been, and as the reality dawns the more I read essays like yours, I can only thank you for your efforts. We need people like you Danny.
At 11:00 on January 16, 2015, Philip Smeeton said…

Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments...

At 14:07 on January 15, 2015, Philip Smeeton said…

More later, both you and I have a lot on our plates so reply at your leisure. I hope I made it clear that I admire Thomas Paine.

At 11:08 on January 14, 2015, Philip Smeeton said…

This is just a sketch Danny, Comment?

Intelligent Design.

It is a mistake to assume that the universe was created, thus that there had to be a Creator.

This may or may not be true but based on the lack of evidence and logical argument to support the case, the existence of a Creator seems unlikely.

There is no evidence that the world, life and the universe were created. Only wishful thinking about the subject. The universe and everything in it just is, it exists nothing more nor less.

There is probably no reason that the universe exists. We do not know and may never know, there are questions that cannot be answered.


Did the universe as we know begin and come into existence out of nothing. or did it evolve out of something that has always been there. How can something always have been there without a beginning?


All that we can know is that we and the universe do exist, everything else is speculation.

There are non-questions such as what is the meaning of life. The answer to which is that there is no meaning, it is we as conscious beings that choose to give meaning to things and activities. These things and activities have no meaning in themselves. If life had a purpose it would only be to continue living.

There is no meaning to life or any thing other than the meaning that we choose to give it.

The only thing that we can be sure of is that we and the universe do exist. We can know material facts about the universe, because they are verifiable. Everything not material is in our minds only. It is a product of the ability to imagine that the surplus capacity of our brains has enabled.

Another non-question is- What is existence, existence just is, we exist, nothing more nor less. And we will cease to exist. But the universe will probably continue to exist for ever in some form or another. I reject religion because it invents answers to questions that are either non-questions or questions that cannot be answered. In other words religions are products of the imagination and stupid speculation.

Religious People.

Probably because human beings make things create, priests have assumed that everything was created. How else can you explain blind faith in something that cannot be proven. Something that requires blind-faith to be believed. Religions are fairy tales that adults believe. The religious find it impossible to comprehend or accept that the universe came into being by itself ,that it evolves that it is not intelligengent or guided by intelligence, that the universe just is, nothing more nor less. They cannot accept that they will die and cease to exist, so the fantasy of an afterlife is born. They believe that there is a purpose to everything, when no purpose can be demonstrated to exist. They confuse speculation with verifiable fact, and confuse reality with fantasy. There is no real evidence that anything at all supernatural exists. It may or may not but is unlikely to.

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Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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