A Declaration of War - by French youth

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Comment by paul collings on December 30, 2012 at 15:38

Its difficult to really get the feel of their ideas from the FB page. The translations are terrible. It looks like the EDL FB page of old where people came on and expressed their views, which were out of the control of EDL leadership.

The movement seems to be growing, and its not just the youth.  I thought it was the youth vote that put Hollande into power though? anyway, its going to be interesting to see how the French authorities deal with GI. It will be more intresting to see whos bank rolling them.

I wonder if they are backing Le Penn?

Comment by Joe on December 30, 2012 at 13:56

Paul, Generation Identitaire talk on their website about their annual training day, held every year on August 15, since 2003.  Bloc Identitaire hold their training day every year on August 15, since 2003.  They are one and the same movement.  Looking at the photos of GI meetings, it is clear there are men there who are in their 50s or 60s.  Hardly a youth movement that is self-guiding. 

I've made enquiries of some very politically-active, jewish groups in France.  Their response has been "we have no problems with Generation Identitaire".  So, once again, it is a question of watching them to see what they are up to.  They certainly appear to be growing far,far more quickly across Europe than any of the EDL look-alike groups.

Comment by paul collings on December 30, 2012 at 13:25

I am only just looking at GI. But i have to agree with Joe, that they may be playing games with words. This would suggest a certain level of organisation that would have taken both planning and backing. 

I'm sure things will become clearer with them as time goes on.  I personnelly have always believed that a group would arise that would be as clever and devious as that which we all oppose. It is also my belief (along with others i'm sure) that a extreme group is bound to form because the left have become extreme, and as we know for every action you'll get an equal and oppersite reaction.

If you go to an EDL demo, and you see the counter demonstraters you'll see an extreme element that exists in Britian. Its an element that appears at Union demos. And it seems to be endorsed by govenments, labour and cons alike. Its the UAF, and SWP. I'm sure France will have an equivilent.

If our Govenments won't listen to the people, then its only a matter of time before some of those people will find a way to get their voices heard.

I have no idea if GI are just a new group that are not that articulate at the moment. But after watching our govenment attack the EDL so viciously, it'll not surprise me if  extreme groups form over here. It was always the fear of many people within the CJ, and it must have been dicussed by security and inteligence agencys.

So all thats left is for people to make their own mind up as to why the govenments of Europe have refused to address millions of their citizens concerns about immigration, and in particular why muslim immigrants have been given a free pass in EU countries. Of course the ruling elite deny any of this. So we are just a bunch of conspiracy theorists.

Some people have decided they are going to take action. It could be extreme action. It could be just what the ruling elites want???? Conspiracy theories again!  

France has a larger muslim population than us at the moment. What plays out there could well be our future. We should keep a close eye on events. 

 

Comment by Joe on December 30, 2012 at 10:36

Their video says they are the generation who have suffered "the forced mixing of races". All of the white people I know who are in relationships with non-white people, or who have mixed-race children are working class.  All of the revolutionary communists I know are middle-class.  All of these revolutionary communists live in leafy suburbs; none of them have mixed-race children or non-white partners. I totally accept that the "forced mixing" has been non-democratic, and that the geographical, social & cultural proximity has all been borne by the white working-class.  The middle-class buy their own apartheid.  The middle-class are sly enough to talk about political-correctness whilst making sure they disapprove of their child having a relationship with someone who is non-white (they would probably find another reason other than skin colour, as to why that person was unsuitable).  

The question is: are GI proposing to remedy this with a) segregation within europe, b) expulsion of non-white people.  They talk about their "blood" being their heritage, equating culture with race (very redolent of Hitler).

Bloc Identitaire have made it clear they would make civil partnerships between same-sex couples illegal.  They will also prevent gay people from adopting children.  Such civilised actions (legal recognition of marginal relationships, accepting that the quality of childcare is more important than prejudice) are european values (anywhere else they are to be found in the world is a result of those parts of the world having inherited such european values).

Bloc Identitaire/Generation Identitaire appear to share the same policies as the BNP.  Stormfront were initially gung-ho for GI.  About 15 pages into their discussion of GI that soured, when they realised that GI refuse to endorse anti-semitism.  That does not mean that GI are not anti-semites.  It could just mean they are playing games with words.  The same way that communists & socialists do (setting up the UAF as a front organisation that is entirely fascist in its outlook and operation), the same way that muslims do (claiming islam is the religion of peace).  The white nationalists at Stormfront end up being unsure whether or not GI are in their camp.

I'm just flagging these things up.  There are other similarities in operation between the Nazis, the Muslim Brotherhood and GI.  For instance, the way that GI go out into the streets distributing food to the needy.  This kind of things was also done by the Nazis and the MB.  The emphasis on youth is also another parallel between these three groups.

Comment by Antony on December 30, 2012 at 6:29

I think the GI vid is an excellent bit of agitprop ! well made, and so far at least I can see nothing in GI's statements that would define them as neo-nazis. "Populist" could just mean that they recognise the need for a popular (ie over 50% of the population) movement needed to stop the rot in French & European society.

They have also denounced anti-semetism and even nationalism, though I would not consider nationalism racist, additionaly, though it is not a point mentioned, Gypsies are also a part of European identity in traditional & historical terms, although originally coming from Rajasthan in India.

Comment by paul collings on December 29, 2012 at 23:36

Comment by Joe on December 29, 2012 at 20:11

I have found some other remarks by them.  Again, it is hard to discern precisely what they stand for.

Here are some quotes from the leader of the BI, Fabrice Robert:
"Le nationalisme a été un drame pour l’Europe " Nationalism was a tragedy for Europe.

"Ce que nous reproche l’extrême-droite, c’est d’avoir rompu avec l’antisémitisme et l’antisionisme" The far-right condemn us because with are not antisemtic or antizionist.

"Quiconque suit régulièrement nos activités, lit nos textes, sait que le Bloc Identitaire n'est ni antisémite, ni antisioniste et qu'il a relégué au magasin des antiquités politiques du XXe siècle ce que d'aucuns appellent la « question juive.Nous ne sommes pas nationalistes, le nationalisme a été un drame pour l’Europe. Nous sommes populistes." Those who follow our activities, read our texts, knows that the Bloc Identitaire is not antisemitic or antizionist and rejects what people called the Jewish Question in the XXth century. We are not nationalist, nationalism was a tragedy for europe. We are populists.

Populist could well be equivalent to the Nazis talk about being "volkish".  The neofascist left are, of course, saying that GI are "white supremacists".  To my mind, they don't seem to be supremacists, but they seem to want Europe to be for white people.  Such a view does not have to claim that white people are superior, only that "races" are different but equal.  "Ethnic cleansing" could still be conducted by people who think that the non-whites are not inferior, but have still to be removed to return "the people" to what it was before 1940 (or whenever).

Comment by Kinana on December 22, 2012 at 12:41

Joe, they are walking a tight-rope for sure.  

this from the german video:

'Free from hatred and violence, 100% identity-based, 0% racist – these are the identitarians in Germany.

yet the American video says that Americans are a 'race' and a white man is speaking.

from what i can make of the original french site, they are silent about race, as you say, but in this context, is silence evidence of racism?

does 'identity-based' movements mean racial identity?

Maybe Gaia can tell us more.  Thanks for heads up Joe.

Comment by Alan Lake on December 22, 2012 at 3:57

Well, the Leftist National Socialists, with their collectivist mindset and suppression of open dialogue  have been trying to incubate a racist right for decades (just like they are the ones that successfully incubated a Norwegian Breivik), so perhaps they've now succeeded in making a race based French movement.

They should be happy.

Comment by Joe on December 21, 2012 at 15:09

People should know, that Generation Identitaire are probably a neo-nazi outfit.  When contacted by EDL they replied that they wanted no association with EDL as they opposed them on ideological grounds.  When asked what these ideological differences were, there was no reply.

Even though the video talks about an end to "forced mixing of races", I gave them some leeway.  It might mean that the way that cities in France are structured, it is the poor white French who are forced to the outskirts along with immigrants (English cities are far more chequered in the geography of ghettoes/enclaves).

However, in the light of these "ideological differences", one has to assume that it is about race.  EDL has a very slender ideology - tackle islamic extremism, there are moderate muslims, race has got nothing to do with it, opposition to Nazism.

The only thing I can see that should give one any pause from stating outright that GI are racists who plan to "ethnically cleanse" europe, is that GI's ideological difference might be that they do not accept the moderate/extremist distinction when it comes to muslims.  However, if that was the case, why not say so?

Again, one is led to the conclusion they are racists.

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