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EDL demo Manchester

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EDL demo Manchester

Time: October 20, 2018 from 1pm to 3pm
Location: Manchester
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Event Type: edl, demo
Organized By: English Defence League
Latest Activity: Oct 20, 2018

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The EDL are holding a national demo in Manchester on 20th October.

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Comment by Kinana on October 20, 2018 at 9:01

Speech to be given today at the Demo.

A Name that Boils my Blood with Anger

by David Shuff

Salman Ramadan Abedi is his name.  He is the man partly responsible for today’s protest.

On 22 May 2017 he took the lives of 22 innocent victims, mostly children and affecting the lives of thousands of others.  He detonated a bomb in the midst of a crowd as people were leaving the Manchester Arena following a pop concert.

We need to look at his motive.

He attended what was once Albert Park Methodist Chapel, built in 1883.  It was later converted to a Mosque in 1962, and is now known as Didsbury Mosque.
It is the same mosque Salman Ramadan’s brother taught at;
It is the same mosque his father, a Salafist from Libya, wailed the Muslim call to prayer across Manchester at;
It is the same mosque with connections to the terrorist organisation known as the Muslim Brotherhood.

Didsbury mosque claims to have an attendance of almost 1000, yet we are told, and supposed to believe, that only one person from that one mosque was a danger to us and our children?

Manchester has 66 of the United Kingdom’s 1800 registered mosques.  Should we be worried?  We know in this world of political correctness that we will be called ‘racists’ to even be worried or to express our concerns, even though Islam is not a race and Muslims can be from all races.

Furthermore, it is a worry that in 2011 the UK had 100,000 converts to Islam of which most were women.

These concerning facts lead us to other important facts.  That is, since 2001 the number of Christians in Manchester alone has fallen from around two-thirds to less than half and the followers of Islam have almost doubled. (from 62% to 49%, and the followers of the Islam have increased from 9% to 16%.)

So British Christians have been the minority in Manchester for 17 years.  Manchester like every other major city and town in the UK was force-fed the integration lie by the politicians and media.   The truth is quite the contrary.  Islam is about domination not integration, and factual evidence proves it; the murder of our children proves it.

So the motivation of that murderer Salman Ramadan Abedi was Islam, nothing more and nothing less.

And finally, let us remember the 22 bereaved families who will never recover fully.  Wikipedia tells us in addition that "139 were wounded, more than half of them children.  Several hundred more suffered psychological trauma...The incident was the deadliest terrorist attack and the first suicide bombing in Britain since the July 2005 London bombings."

May God have mercy on them and their families.

Comment by Kinana on October 18, 2018 at 6:57

The muster point gathering is available from 11 a.m.  

To join in the March be there b4 13:30. 

Comment by Alan Lake on October 17, 2018 at 23:53

So we assemble at the muster point, 2.5 hours before the demo?

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Comment by Kinana on October 17, 2018 at 22:37

Are we wrong to want to be safe in our own country?
Are we wrong to be concerned about what is being said in mosques?
Are we wrong to be worried about where the country is heading?
Are we wrong to want the real Islam unmasked?

NO WE ARE NOT, we have valid concerns and we deserve to have those concerns taken seriously by our government who supposedly have our best interests at heart!

Manchester 20th October ~ join us

Comment by Kinana on October 17, 2018 at 22:36

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