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EDL Demo: Peterborough1

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EDL Demo: Peterborough1

Time: December 11, 2010 from 1pm to 3pm
Location: Peterborough
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Event Type: demo, edl
Organized By: EDL
Latest Activity: Sep 29, 2015

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We will now hold a demo in Peterborough on 11th December. We understand that these demos are close but please try and attend as many as possible the EDL is growing at a immense pace and we are trying to please all members. No Surrender.

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Comment by Alan Lake on December 13, 2010 at 7:32
Comment by SP on December 11, 2010 at 20:08

Alan's shades :¬)

Comment by Pat McCrann on December 11, 2010 at 19:48

Hi SP, well if you've got any ideas you can lob over on that it might help...:)

Comment by SP on December 11, 2010 at 19:23

They turned up 45 minutes after the EDL demo ended to shout at a few stragglers on Bridge St. Pathetic.

Comment by SP on December 11, 2010 at 19:18

Hi Pat, I could assist on a small scale, but I'm doing my own media thing at the moment to show what and who the EDL are protesting about. 

Comment by Pat McCrann on December 11, 2010 at 10:56

Hi SP, I'm trying to get a small team together to get something started on this and so far I've had no takers. If you could help with this, even just in helping to recruit people, that would be great.


Comment by SP on December 11, 2010 at 0:23

Pat's advice/suggestions about being media proactive before the demos should be a blueprint of how we go forward from now on. Basic common sense when you think about it. I'm still unclear about 4 Freedoms relationship with the EDL. Does the EDL leadership keep 4 Freedoms updated immediately about forthcoming demos and media interviews?

Comment by SP on December 10, 2010 at 23:51

I feel the UAF and their ilk will be emboldened by what happened in London and will attack the police in Peterborough tomorrow to get to the EDL. We need as much photographic evidence as we can get.

Comment by Alan Lake on December 6, 2010 at 9:19
The Galloway UFC is in the Argumentation Room:
(Why is it called UFC? "There are no rules!")
Comment by Pat McCrann on December 6, 2010 at 8:54
But not just 'some EDL' turning up. We need their best speakers to turn up, with their arguments sharply honed and ready. From what I've read there has been some very nasty stuff going on in Peterborough. Are their families of victims with something to say on this 'peace and harmone' initiative?

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