It takes a nation to protect the nation
All debate Events (18)
April 4Monday
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DEBATE: This House Supports Multiculturalism
April 4, 2011 from 7pm to 10pm – Old Bank of England Magnus Neilson/Richard Londonborne will be opposing the motion. Exact location to follow. Organized by Magnus Neilson/Richard Londonborne | Type: talk, debate, uk
March 16Friday
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Debate: Islam and Reformation: What is the way forward - SOAS Islamic Society & MDI
March 16, 2012 from 6:45pm to 9pm – Khalili Lecture Theatre (KLT), School of African and Oriental Studies (SOAS) Can Islamic civilisation be revived? What are the solutions for theproblems in the Muslim world? Does Islam need reformation? Should Muslims borrow from Western Political systems? What is the way fo… Organized by MDI | Type: talk, debate, uk
April 2Monday
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Sylvans Debate: 'Religion should be kept completely separate from politics'
April 2, 2012 from 7pm to 9:30pm – 'The Old Bank of England' pub A Debate hosted by 'The Sylvans' Proposer: Magnus Nielsen 'The Old Bank of England' pub Organized by The Sylvans | Type: talk, debate, uk
April 19Thursday
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Is Religion Less Relevant to Modern Society?
April 19, 2012 from 6:30pm to 9pm – Friends House Does society need Religion? Is it a relic of the past, or a vital part of the human condition? Is religion bad for society, or fundamental to it? Is religion less relevant to modern Society in the mo… Organized by MDI | Type: talk, debate, uk
October 4Thursday
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Conway Hall: Is Islam a threat to the west, or is Islamophobia a threat? CANCELED
October 4, 2012 from 6:30pm to 9:30pm – Conway Hall Tommy Robinson, leader of the English Defence League (EDL), debates Abdullah Al Andalusi, speaker and Muslim thinker on the burning question: Is Islam a threat to the west, or is Islamophobia a threa… Organized by MDI | Type: talk, debate, uk
November 26Monday
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Answering Muslims.com debates Sami Zaatari
November 26, 2012 from 6pm to 8pm – Imperial College - Kempton Building, LT201 An Interfaith Debate between two experienced apologists: SAMI ZAATARI (UK) and DAVID WOOD (USA) The format will be a debate followed by an open Q&A session. Muslims, Christians, and people of… Organized by Imperial College Islamic Society and the MDI | Type: talk, debate, uk
November 29Thursday
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"Is Islam a Threat to Modern Society?"
November 29, 2012 from 6pm to 8pm – University of Portsmouth MDI Debate David Wood vs. Sami Zaatari Organized by Joe | Type: talk, debate, uk
February 6Wednesday
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INTERFAITH DIALOGUE: DOES IT WORK?
February 6, 2013 from 6pm to 10pm – Friends' House INTERFAITH DIALOGUE: DOES IT WORK? Wednesday 6 February 2013, 6:30pm prompt Friends' House 173 Euston Road London NW1 2BJ Spiro Ark and Harif have assembled prominent Jewish, Christian and Muslim r… Organized by | Type: talk, debate, uk
April 30Thursday
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Debate: Is Child Sexual Exploitation a Muslim Problem?
April 30, 2015 from 6pm to 9pm – Hilton Sheffield Hotel Tommy Robinson (Ex-leader of the English Defence League) v Muhbeen Hussain (Founder of British Muslim Youth) Date: Thursday 30th April 2015 – 6PM Venue: Hilton Sheffield Hotel, Victoria Quays, Furniv… Organized by Alan Lake | Type: debate
July 22Sunday
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Magnus at Hyde Pk Speakers Corner
July 22, 2018 from 12pm to 2pm – Hyde Park Speakers Corner Magnus will be taking his concerns about Islam to Hyde Park Speakers Corner on 15 July. He will quote from their own scriptures and comment on them. He would like your support because, as… Organized by Magnus | Type: debate
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Mission Overview
Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them.
At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.
Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.
We need to capture this information before it is removed. The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.
We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.
The 4 Freedoms
These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper).
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:
- Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"
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