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Mega-Mosque: No Thanks!

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Mega-Mosque: No Thanks!

Time: November 21, 2012 from 7pm to 10pm
Location: London
Street: The Lord Stanley, 15 St Mary's Road, London E13 9AE
Event Type: talk, discussion, uk
Organized By: the MegaMosqueNoThanks (MMNT) team
Latest Activity: Feb 5, 2014

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Invites have gone out to both Newham MP`s , and the councillors for Plaistow North and West Ham. Alan Craig will be speaking , and in order to present a balanced debate - we have invited the Trustees Of the Riverine Centre to address the meeting. If you have any is your chance to ask questions !

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Comment by paul collings on November 18, 2012 at 18:03

Is this ameeting to oppose the mosque, or a chance for the Trustees to put everyones mind at ease?

How we in the west love a balanced debate about something we dan't want, are all against, but in the name fairness we're open to debate about our determination to oppose something, maybe, whatever.

What they should be concentrating on, is mobilising oppersition.

Comment by Kinana on November 18, 2012 at 13:13

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