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"Towards a Secular Islamic State" (booking required)

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"Towards a Secular Islamic State" (booking required)

Time: December 12, 2012 from 6:30pm to 8:30pm
Location: Muslim Institute
Street: CAN Mezzanine, Old Street Building, 49-51 East Road, Old Street N1 6AH
City/Town: London
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Event Type: talk, discussion, uk
Organized By: Semiticart; The AEA; Muslim Institute
Latest Activity: Feb 6, 2014

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The ‘conversation’ shall seek to re-examine the notion of what the term ‘secular’ means to Arabs and the connotations it carries, but more importantly how Muslim Scholars and the legal practitioners of Fiqh (Islamic Law), interpret secularism in its current form, and the future of the notion, in light of events post Arab-Spring.  Does the word itself need to be re-contextualised, in order for it to be an ‘acceptable-equivalent’ for Muslims?  Thus, I have called such a play on words a ‘semantic-synonym’.  Furthermore, what are the psychological and sociological forces at work, with such framing dynamics?  Finally, do Arab Muslims need to overcome the ‘Western-colonial-cultural-baggage’, which is often associated with the word ‘secularism’ to mean anti-religion, in order for them to attain some form of ‘cognitive-consonance’ to be able to find their particular identity rather than imitating the western application of the word?  As ‘Secularism’ a post-enlightenment movement, is viewed by non-Arabs and Arabs alike, as a period of time characterized by breakthroughs in thinking which steered the world away from religion and more and more toward secularism, humanism, individualism, rationalism, and nationalism.  The Arab Spring has seen both ‘ideological secularism’ and ‘procedural secularism’ being practiced at different levels within Tunisia and Egypt respectively.  Is a western form of Islam more in tune with Islam, as the highest purpose (maqasid) of the Sharia is to secure the interests of the people (maslahah)?  Furthermore, if Arabs are seeking secular political governance rather than religious political governance, is the notion of an ‘Islamic state’ a redundant idea, a historical misnomer even, especially considering that Arab Muslims are demanding what Western Muslims have been enjoying for a number of decades?


Prof Abdullah Ahmed An-Naim , the Charles Howard Candler Professor at Emory University, Atlanta:
Why do Muslims need the state to be secular? Shariah and its application (role) within the Secular State

Dr Usama Hasan of the Quilliam Foundation:
Can Islam and Secularism be reconciled?

Emre Kazim of the Deen Institute:
A Critique of An-Naims Secular State

Tehmina Kazi of the British Muslims for Secular Democracy: Ideological and procedural secularism & The Future of Western based Islamist movements post Arab Spring

Chair for the Event: Dr Ziauddin Sardar of the Muslim Institute:

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Comment by Joe on December 1, 2012 at 16:22

From the website:

For Abed of SEMITICART, such an enquiry is about broadly engaging an introspective critique of the nature of the ‘self’ and its liability to ‘impose’. He does not set out to impose or tell the audience what or how they should interpret from the text-as-image; rather it is for them to reflect upon his 'artistic portrayal of truths'.  An important 'truth' that Abbey sees conveyed by his work is one of hope not hate, of tolerance and coexistence. ... To quote from the Qur’an:

2:256 there is no compulsion in religion 10:99 had your Lord willed all the people on earth would have believed. So can you [Prophet] compel people to believe?

Presumably this post-modern relativist doesn't understand that 2:256 was abrogated by later verses which instruct muslims to force islam on everyone.



Comment by Joe on December 1, 2012 at 16:18

The Anti-Extremist Alliance touting a sharia-compliant event.  I suspect men & women will be segregated (just like blacks were segregated in the deep south of the US in the 1950s).

The dirty kaffir's opinion is irrelevant.  Under sharia non-muslims are seen and not heard. 

Comment by Alan Lake on December 1, 2012 at 12:33

Interestingly, they don't seem to have got even one Kaffir speaker for this event, to give a purely secular point of view!  

Well, it makes sense, since non-Muslims will obviously be irrelevant to the entire process pretty soon, and simply swept aside.

Soon to be exterminated Leftists, take note.

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