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It takes a nation to protect the nation

This comes from a site whose stated "ideology" is the ridiculous ideology that assumes "race" is a biological category, and the equally ridiculous notion that "race" and nation are somehow connected.  Nevertheless, the study it reports on suggests that the brute facts might be speaking to sociologists who will listen.

The country that gave us Bergman, ABBA and Volvo could become known as the Bosnia of northern Europe. The “Swedish model” would no longer refer to a stable and peaceful state with an advanced economy, but to a Eurabian horror story of utopian multiculturalism, socialist mismanagement and runaway immigration.

Some thought I was exaggerating, and that talk of the possibility of a future civil war in Sweden was pure paranoia. Was it? In a new sociological survey (pdf in Swedish, with brief English introduction) entitled “Vi krigar mot svenskarna” (“We’re waging a war against the Swedes”), young immigrants in the troubled city of Malmö have been interviewed about why they are involved in crime. Although it is not stated, most of the immigrant perpetrators are Muslims.

 

In one of the rare instances where the Swedish media actually revealed the truth, the newspaper Aftonbladet reported several years ago that 9 out of 10 of the most criminal ethnic groups in Sweden came from Muslim countries.

This must be borne in mind whilst reading the following newspaper article:

Immigrants are “waging war” against Swedes through robbery

The wave of robberies the city of Malmö has witnessed during this past year is part of a “war against the Swedes.” This is the explanation given by young robbers from immigrant backgrounds when questioned about why they only rob native Swedes, in interviews with Petra Åkesson for her thesis in sociology. “I read a report about young robbers in Stockholm and Malmö and wanted to know why they rob other youths. It usually does not involve a lot of money,” she says. She interviewed boys between 15 and 17 years old, both individually and in groups.

Almost 90% of all robberies reported to the police were committed by gangs, not individuals. “When we are in the city and robbing we are waging a war, waging a war against the Swedes.” This argument was repeated several times. “Power for me means that the Swedes shall look at me, lie down on the ground and kiss my feet.” The boys explain, laughingly, that “there is a thrilling sensation in your body when you’re robbing, you feel satisfied and happy, it feels as if you’ve succeeded, it simply feels good.” “It’s so easy to rob Swedes, so easy.” “We rob every single day, as often as we want to, whenever we want to.” The immigrant youth regard the Swedes as stupid and cowardly: “The Swedes don’t do anything, they just give us the stuff. They’re so wimpy.” The young robbers do not plan their crimes: “No, we just see some Swedes that look rich or have nice mobile phones and then we rob them.”

Why do they hate the Swedes so much? “Well, they hate us,” Petra Åkesson reports them as answering. “When a Swede goes shopping, the lady behind the counter gives him the money back into his hand, looks into his eyes and laughs. When we go shopping, she puts the money on the counter and looks the other way.” Åkesson, who is adopted from Sri Lanka and hence does not look like a native Swede, says it was not difficult to get the boys to talk about their crimes. Rather they were bragging about who had committed the most robberies. Malin Åkerström,a  professor in sociology, sees only one solution to the problem: “Jobs for everybody. If this entails a deregulation of the labor market to create more jobs, then we should do so.”

It is interesting to note that these Muslim immigrants state quite openly that they are involved in a “war,” and see participation in crime and harassment of the native population as such. This is completely in line with what I have posited before. The number of rape charges in Sweden has quadrupled in just above twenty years. Rape cases involving children under the age of 15 are six times as common today as they were a generation ago. Most other kinds of violent crime have rapidly increased, too. Instability is spreading to most urban and suburban areas. Resident aliens from Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia dominate the group of rape suspects. Lawyer Ann Christine Hjelm found that 85 per cent of the convicted rapists were born on foreign soil or from foreign parents. The phenomenon is not restricted to Sweden. The number of rapes committed by Muslim immigrants in Western nations is so extremely high that it is difficult to view these rapes as merely random acts of individuals. It resembles warfare. This is happening in most Western European countries, as well as in other non muslim countries such as India. European jails are filling up with Muslims imprisoned for robberies and all kinds of violent crimes, and Muslims bomb European civilians. One can see the mainstream media are struggling to make sense of all of this. That is because they cannot, or do not want to, see the obvious: this is exactly how an invading army would behave: rape, pillage and bombing. If many of the Muslim immigrants see themselves as conquerors in a war, it all makes perfect sense.

Malmö in Sweden, set to become the first Scandinavian city with a Muslim majority within a decade or two, has nine times as many reported robberies per capita as Copenhagen, Denmark. Yet the number one priority for the political class in Sweden during this year’s national election campaign seems to be demonizing neighboring Denmark for “xenophobia” and a “brutal” debate about Muslim immigration. During last years Jihad riots in France, Sweden’s Social Democratic Prime Minister Göran Persson criticised the way the French government handled the unrest in the country. “It feels like a very hard and confrontational approach.” Persson also rejected the idea of more local police as a “first step” in Sweden. “I don’t believe that’s the way we would choose in Sweden. To start sending out signals about strengthening the police is to break with the political line we have chosen to follow,” he said. Meanwhile, as their authorities have largely abandoned their third largest city to creeping anarchy, there is open talk among the native Swedes still remaining in Malmö of forming vigilante groups armed with baseball bats out of concern for their children’s safety. As I argued in another essay: If Arnold Schwarzenegger fails to get re-elected as Governor of California he may like to do a sequel to “Conan the Barbarian.” He could shoot it in Malmö. He will get the extras for free.

What happened to the famous Swedish nanny state, you say? Don’t Swedes pay the highest tax rates in the world? Yes, they do. But tens of billions of kroner, some say several hundred billions, are being spent every year on propping up rapidly growing communities of Muslim immigrants. Sweden has become the entire world’s welfare office, because the political elites have decided that massive Muslim immigration is “good for the economy.” Soon Sweden’s “army” may comprise no more than 5,000 men, five thousand troops to defend a nation more than three times the area of England. Moreover, it may take up to a year to assemble all of them, provided they are not on peacekeeping missions abroad. That Sweden might soon need a little peacekeeping at home seems to escape the establishment. In 2006 the celebrated Swedish welfare state has become the world’s largest pyramid scheme, an Enron with a national flag.

Although Sweden is an extreme example, similar stories could be told about much of Western Europe. As Mark Steyn points out, the Jihad in the streets of France looked like the early skirmishes of an impending Eurabian civil war, brought on by massive Muslim immigration and Multicultural stupidity. Law and order is slowly breaking down in major and even minor cities across the European continent, and the streets are ruled by aggressive gangs of Muslim youngsters. At the same time, Europeans are paying some of the highest taxes in the world. We should remind our authorities that the most important task of the state – some would even claim it should be the only task of the state – is to uphold the rule of law in exchange for taxation. Since it is becoming pretty obvious that this is no longer the case in Eurabia, we should question whether these taxes are still legitimate, or whether they are simply disguised Jizya paid in the form of welfare to Muslims and our new Eurocrat aristocracy. Although not exactly the Boston Tea Party, perhaps the time has now come for a pan-European tax rebellion: We will no longer pay taxes until our authorities restore law and order and close the borders to Muslim immigration.

This is urgent. When enough people feel that the system is no longer working and that the social contract has been breached, the entire fabric of democratic society could unravel. What happens when the welfare state system breaks down, and there is no longer enough money to “grease” the increasing tensions between immigrants and native Europeans? And what happens when people discover that their own leaders, through the EU networks and the Euro-Arab Dialogue described by Bat Ye’or in her book “Eurabia,” have been encouraging all these Muslims to settle here in the first place? There will be massive unemployment, and tens of millions of people will feel angry, scared and humiliated, betrayed by the system, by society and by their own "democratic" leaders.

I assume what is going to happen in Sweden in the near-term is an exodus of white Swedes from the cities.  They do at least have the geography to make that exodus.  Unlike the Dutch, where only a few years back it was reported that many Dutch were considering emigration.  http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/27/international/europe/27dutch.html...
If anyone can provide a copy of the report (in Swedish) to which the racist writer refers, then I'd like to look through it.

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I think I found the original PDF:

www.reaktion.nu/PDF/VI__0011.PDF

But it certainly does not claim the "war" quote in the abstract which the racist site implies is there - translate.google.com cannot translate the PDF because it is too large. So, at the moment, I'd say this spin on the report looks spurious.

The same phrasing used on the racist site is to be found on counter-jihad sites in relation to this report. Furthermore, it looks like it can be traced back to 2006 when it was reported by Fjordman. http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/938

Some of the links to the report (e.g. that on BrusselsJournal) are dead.

Good article - again, the $6million Q is when is the tipping point when indiginous patriots/secular democrats will say enough is enough, and more to the point, act upon it ? A problem, if not the problem, we face is that the public has grown so used to believing as an article of faith that our dear establishment has the wishes of its loyal subjects at heart, that it will somehow at some mythical time in the future, right the wrongs of islamisation and mass immigration.

The situation in sweden is obviously becoming worse. But it is also true that it is becoming worse everywhere muslim imigration has erupted. Something that must be obvious to our ruling elite. Yet it is still allowed to continue. Because of this extreme position by the politicians, and allowing mass unabated immigration is extreme, we will find an extreme counter reaction will eventually take place.

In sweden as in almost every other part of europe the people are being asked to move aside in favour of an invading ideology and its army. You can only squeeze people so much before they react in some way. The site may be racist but they are using logical arguement

 

Yo Joe

That is the original pdf. You are correct, the abstract does not mention anything about war.


”Vi krigar mot svenskarna” Unga rånare om hur och Varför de begår brott. Av Petra Åkesson

Abstract

What is that attract teenagers to rob other teenagers? In the present study young men who have robbed or are still robbing other teenagers in the city of Malmö are interviewed. Albert K Cohen's and Jack Katz”s analyses are used as theoretical frames to understand and interpret the phenomenon. The interviewees are youngsters with non-Swedish backgrounds and are between 15- 17 years old. The teenagers state that they are not usually planning or organizing their crimes and that they usually perform in gangs. Attainment of money is used as an account for the robberies. The youngsters also describe the excitement, attraction and adventure in carrying through the robberies. The teenagers' behaviour can be seen as a way to kill time, but in a distinctive way. They explain that by robbing other teenagers they make themselves into image of being dangerous. Furthermore, the interviewees explain that they mainly rob Swedish teenagers (young men), as these are stingy, mean and cowardly. The youngsters explain that they do not feel accepted in the Swedish society. Robbing Swedish young men can thus be seen as a symbolic response and if successful,Victory, towards and over a society that does not integrate and respect them; a way for the teenagers to transform their humiliation.

I have just read the report (incidentally I can read, and speak Swedish more or less fluently).

What the racist writer states can be found in the section Varför rånar man (why do you rob) starting on page 24

Can I suggest you try to convert the doc to HTML, then you only need to run six pages through the translator, 24-32

Here you will fin what you are looking for.

There where only 11 yoots interviewed, so it does not seem like a full scale war yet 

I am using a Mac, and there is a feature that converts PDF, but with the doc it only gives me the first 18 pages.

Thanks, Shiva.  I'd already pointed out to the people commenting on the piece (where I first saw it), that the site was racist, and therefore the synopsis should be considered doubtful.  They did take that on board, which is good.  I will try converting it and have a look (of course, I'll be at the mercy of google or babelfish).  As for the study only being based on 11 yoofs, that hasn't stopped "respectable" British academics and their analysis of EDL being published in The British Journal of Criminology, and cited on Wikipedia.  It was based on an interview with 3 "members" from EDL:

http://bjc.oxfordjournals.org/content/51/4/621.abstract

As far as I can gather, this Swedish study based on 11 muslims, was done by a student.  Whereas the extensive and exhaustive 3 person study was done by two professional academics at the University of Leicester.

It looks like we have higher standards than the liars in charge of Wikipedia, and higher than professional criminology academics in the UK.  We would consider such "qualitative" studies as dubious and probably biased; but they're sound as far as the world's most popular encyclopedia is concerned.  Oh yes, and the 3-person study is also considered sound by Islamophobia Watch.  http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/islamophobia-watch/2011/10/6/acad...

Makes me wonder if we are fighting by the queensbury rules, whilst the communists and muslims are making ricin.

This from 2006. Have things gotten better in sweden. Just a handful of youths playing up

 

Jihad Watch

Muslims rule major Swedish city

An exclusive series of translations from the Swedish press, made for Jihad Watch by Ali Dashti: [NOTE: IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION HERE]

Sweden is one of the worst hit countries in Europe of Muslim immigration and Political Correctness. Now, the police themselves have publicly admitted that they no longer control one of Sweden's major cities. I have made some exclusive translations from Swedish media. They show the future of Eurabia unless Europeans wake up.
I’ve seen the future of Eurabia, and it’s called 'Sweden.' Malmø is Sweden’s third largest city, after Stockholm and Gothenburg. Once-peaceful Sweden, home of ABBA, IKEA and the Nobel Prize, is increasingly looking like the Middle East on a bad day.

All following links to major Swedish newspapers, with a brief translation:

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,529910,00.html

Malmø, Sweden. The police now publicly admit what many Scandinavians have known for a long time: They no longer control the situation in the nations's third largest city. It is effectively ruled by violent gangs of Muslim immigrants. Some of the Muslims have lived in the area of Rosengård, Malmø, for twenty years, and still don't know how to read or write Swedish. Ambulance personnel are attacked by stones or weapons, and refuse to help anybody in the area without police escort. The immigrants also spit at them when they come to help. Recently, an Albanian youth was stabbed by an Arab, and was left bleeding to death on the ground while the ambulance waited for the police to arrive. The police themselves hesitate to enter parts of their own city unless they have several patrols, and need to have guards to watch their cars, otherwise they will be vandalized. "Something drastic has to be done, or much more blood will be spilled" says one of the locals.

http://w1.sydsvenskan.se//Article.jsp?article=10092861

The number of people emigrating from the city of Malmø is reaching record levels. Swedes, who a couple of decades ago decided to open the doors to Muslim "refugees" and asylum seekers, are now turned into refugees in their own country and forced to flee their homes. The people abandoning the city mention crime and fear of the safety of their children as the main reason for leaving.

http://w1.sydsvenskan.se/Article.jsp?article=10090830

ALL of the 600 windows at one of the schools in Malmø have been broken during the summer holiday. Window smashing alone costs the city millions every year. City buses have been forced to avoid the immigrant ghetto, as they are met with youths throwing rocks or bottles at them if they enter. Earlier this year, a boy of Afghan origin had made plans to blow up his own school.

http://w1.sydsvenskan.se//Article.jsp?article=10093267

People working at the emergency ward at the major hospital in Malmø receive threats every day, and are starting to get used to it. Patients with knives or guns are commonplace. They have discussed having metal detectors at the emergency entrance, but some fear this could be seen as a provocation.

http://w1.sydsvenskan.se//Article.jsp?article=10093495

Lisa Nilsson has lived in Manhatten, New York City, for 25 years. After moving back to Malmø, Sweden, she now misses the safety of New York. She never walks anywhere in Malmø after dark, but takes a taxi everywhere she goes.

http://www.expressen.se/index.jsp?a=180423

Rapes in Sweden as a whole have increased by 17% just since the beginning of 2003, and have had a dramatic increase during the past decade. Gang rapes, usually involving Muslim immigrant males and native Swedish girls, have become commonplace. Two weeks ago, 5 Kurds brutally raped a 13-year-old Swedish girl.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,528363,00.html

22-year-old Swedish woman going out for fresh air gang raped by three strange men. The only said one word to her: "Whore!"

Ali Dashti comments: "Stories like this are in Swedish newspapers every week. Swedish media usually take great care not to mention the ethnic background of the perpetrators, but you can usually read it between the lines."

One more: how have Swedish politicians reacted to the chaos caused in one of their major cities because of Muslims of whom even the police seem to be afraid? By making it easier for Muslims to enter Sweden:

http://www.cphpost.dk/get/81008.html

Sweden's politicians view arranged marriages as a positive tradition: a cultural pattern that immigrants should be allowed to preserve even in Sweden. The Swedish government feels that interfering in arranged marriages is an encroachment upon private life. In addition, immigrant couples can apply for family reunification in Sweden even if they've never seen each other before - as long as the marriage is entered in a culture with a tradition of parents arranging marriages on behalf of their children. A 2002 study by Växjö University economics professor Jan Ekberg found that immigration cost Swedish taxpayers DKK 33 billion that year, compared to just DKK 10 billion in Denmark. And while one might assume that the rise in costs would result in knee-jerk opposition to immigration, just the opposite has happened in Sweden. A Swedish government commission has proposed abolishing the so-called “seriousness requirement.”

 “Vi krigar mot svenskarna” (“We’re waging a war against the Swedes”),

 

Hi  Shiva, is the above a true translation? This is from the brussels journal.

paul collings sa:

“Vi krigar mot svenskarna” (“We’re waging a war against the Swedes”),

 

Hi  Shiva, is the above a true translation? This is from the brussels journal.

Yo Paul

Not quite sure which of the articles you are referring

The article from Brussels Journal is by Fjordman and as far the translation goes, it is correct. For more about this read my forthcoming comment to Joe, which I will post after I have finished this one.

The article From Jihad Watch is from 2004, not 2006, the translations are by Ali Dashti, and they are spot on

Joe said

The same phrasing used on the racist site is to be found on counter-jihad sites in relation to this report. Furthermore, it looks like it can be traced back to 2006 when it was reported by Fjordman.

Yo

If you read the article, there is nothing racist about it, in fact the article is a direct copy paste job of Fjordmans, yet true to form they do not past the last paragraph

This is a situation in some ways similar to the Great Depression that led to the rise of the Nazis in the 1930s. Is this where we are heading once again, with fear, rising Fascism and political assassinations? The difference is that the “Jewish threat” in the 1930s was entirely fictional, whereas the “Islamic threat” now is very real. However, it is precisely the trauma caused by the events of 70 years ago that is clouding our judgement this time, since any talk at all about the threat posed by Muslim immigration or about preserving our own culture is being dismissed as “the same rhetoric as the Nazis used against the Jews.” Europeans have been taught to be so scared of our own shadows that we are incapable of seeing that darkness can come from the outside, too. Maybe Europe will burn again, in part as a belated reaction to the horrors of Auschwitz.

As I mentioned, the statement "We are at war with the Swedes does not appear until the section "Why do you rob", and I can not be arsed to translate the whole lot, even for you old buddy ;).

But here is something for you to chew on

Her question was: What can entice and attract young people to rob other young people?

A general statement, independent of each other from different boys and at different interview times, was the "war against Swedes':

Original Swedish text:

När vi är ute på stan och rånar, så krigar vi, vi krigar mot svenskarna!' Det är ett argument som de pojkarna som intervjuats använder för är att förklara vilka känslor de far när de rånar.

When we're out and rob, as warrior, we, we are at war with the Swedes!' There is an argument that the boys who were interviewed are using is to explain the feelings they get when they mug.

Original Swedish text:
Jag frågade även ungdomarna på Villaskolan vad de menade med att 'kriga' mot svenskarna och de svarar:'jo, det är ett krig mot svenskarna, vi bråkar om sakerna'. En av pojkarna från Villaskolan förklarar vad makt betyder för honom och säger följande: 'makt för mig är att svenskarna ska se på mig och lägga sig ner på marken och pussa mina fötter'.
I also asked young people at school wanted what they meant by the 'war' against the Swedes and the answers: 'yes, it is a war against the Swedes, we are arguing about things.' One of the boys from Villa School explains what power means to him and says the following 'power to me is that the Swedes shall look at me and lay down on the ground and kiss my feet.'

Original Swedish text:
"Jag frågade även ungdomarna om de enbart rånar svenskar, eftersom de vanligtvis pratar i benämningar av att 'råna svenskarna'. Alla ungdomarna menade att det vara lättast råna svenskarna på grund av att de oftast var väldigt rädda under råntillfällena. De intervjuade ungdomarna använder ord som 'rädda', 'mesiga', 'dumma' för att beskriva svenskar i detta sammanhang och de anger också det vara ett skäl till varför de väljer att råna svenskar."
"I also asked young people if they only mug Swedes, as they usually talk in terms of 'robbing the Swedes'. All the young people felt that it may be easiest to rob Swedes, because they usually were very frightened during rough sessions. They interviewed young people use the word to 'save', 'wimpy', 'stupid' to describe the Swedes in this context and also indicates it may be a reason why they choose to rob Swedes. "
Original Swedish text:
"Ungdomarna säger att de 'krigar' mot svenskarna och ur denna synvinkel visar de att de känner fientlighet och aggression mot svenskar. Alla ungdomar berättar att de utför rånen utanför sina egna bostadsområden, främst i centrala delarna av Malmö, exempelvis Gustav Adolfs torg, Kungsparken, Kirseberg, Lugnet och Södervärn. Katz diskuterar som tidigare nämnt att ungdomar vanligtvis ser på omgivning utanför hemmet som ett 'slagfält'.
Young people say they 'war' against the Swedes, in this respect they show that they feel hostility and aggression against the Swedes. All young people say that they carry out robberies outside their own neighborhoods, primarily in the central parts of Malmö, for example, Gustav Adolf Square, King's Park , Kirseberg, and Södervärn. Katz discusses previously mentioned that young people usually see on the environment outside the home as a 'battleground'.
Original Swedish text:
"Det som är karakteristisk för de intervjuade ungdomarna är att de har skapat egna regler och normer som de lever efter, exempelvis att de 'krigar' mot svenskarna. 'Vi vill bara jävlas med svenskarna och sno deras mobiler', berättar pojken från Rönnowskolan och det framstår som om pojken och hans gäng känner sig nöjda och stolta över de brottsliga handlingarna, det vill säga har funnit egna statuskriterier.
The characteristic of the interviewed young people is that they have created their own rules and norms they live by, for example, that the 'war' against the Swedes. 'We just want to mess with the Swedes and steal their cell phones,' says the boy from Rønnow School and it appears as if the boy and his gang feel happy and proud to criminal offenses, that is, have found their own state criteria.

More statements from those interviewed robbers:
• "When we're out and rob, as warrior, we, we are at war with the Swedes!"
• "The Swedes do not do anything and they give us only the things, they're so wimpy .."
• "... it will only we mug someone, we see some Swedes that look rich or seem to have great phones and then we mug them."
• "... we just mug them, when there is a Swedish, we go forward ..."
• "We can rob when we want and feel like it, it's fun and sometimes funny, like a fun game ..."
• "We must be quick, for when one robs a Swedish, then run the other Swedes out!"
• "Sometimes, for example, we ask what they are called, where they live, what they do and talk to them nicely, we are good and they are deceived and believe that we are good"
• "... it is so easy to rob Swedes, it is so easy ..."
• "they are so afraid, they dare not go out, the Swedes who are robbed of us dare not go out"
• "There's a great feeling through the body when we are mugs, you feel satisfied and happy, you feel like you succeeded, it simply feels good"
• "... it's fun, it's also a game with the cops ..."


 Hi Shiva, thanks. the artical i was reading was from fjordman. Which was from 2006, but your right the J/W artical was from 2004, my mistake.

cheers

Just so Sweden dosn't think they're alone heres a piece about the terrorist threat in the UK.  This is not a racist newspaper, and nowwhere does it suggest that anyone has decleared war on the British.

So are we at war, or is it just a few bad eggs, the same as Sweden, are they at war or is it just a big fuss over nothing.

 

Over Christmas, theres been the attacks on the churches in nigeria, attacks in iraqi, afganistan, and pakistan. Not to mention the continued deaths going on in syria.

 

It looks as though we are becoming used to all this death and arn't really taking it that serious. The people commiting these crimes across europe need locking up now, forever. Its driven by the hate generated in the koran, and its time the book of death was exposed publicly by people  who understand it and have studied it properly.

Even 1 immigrant who thinks its ok to rob and humilliate members of the host nation is 1 too many.

 

And as for the 200 people ready and willing to blow us up! its time the so called intelligence people did something about it, and started crushing the filthy murdering extremist's in this country and all european country's, and if that means upsetting the muslim community then so be it. They shouldn't blindly follow a murdering cult. Weather we're at war or not the results are the same, people are being murdered, theres a risk of attact, and the risk to a racial group (the jews) of being exterminated is high. As well as our way of life being changed forever. We know who the enemy are. Its time the people we pay protect us acted, or its time we employed people who will. The Swedish people need to do something the same as we do. And thats accept the truth. We are at war. 

 

 

This from the Telegraph.

 

Terrorism in the UK

200 suicide bombers 'planning attacks in UK'

At least 200 potential terrorists are actively planning suicide attacks while living freely in Britain, intelligence chiefs have warned ministers.

By Sean Rayment, Defence Correspondent

9:00PM BST 08 Oct 2011

A senior intelligence source has revealed that the figure is a "conservative" estimate of the threat facing the country from UK-based Islamist suicide bombers.

The would-be killers are among 2,000 extremists who the security services have said are based in Britain and actively planning terrorist activity of some kind.

The figures are contained within a secret government report on the "enduring terrorist threat" facing the UK from al-Qaeda and affiliated organisations, The Sunday Telegraph has been told.

While the deaths of Osama bin Laden and Anwar al-Awlaki may have left al-Qaeda without a charismatic leader, both the Secret Intelligence Service, MI6, and the Security Service, MI5, believe the organisation remains as dangerous as ever.

The warning comes as Britain begins preparations for next year's 2012 Olympic Games, which has been described by MI5 as the biggest security operation in the country's history.

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But senior sources believe that rather than targeting Olympic venues, where security will be extremely high, terrorists will be tempted to attack areas where crowds are likely to congregate such as train stations and public events.

If terrorists were to mount an attack in Britain of the kind seen in other countries, by packing a single explosive vest with hundreds of ball bearings then detonating it in a crowded enclosed area such as a station terminus at rush hour, they could kill up to 120 people according to one explosives expert.

The 200 British residents thought to be planning suicide attacks, either within the UK or overseas, represent one in 10 of the wider group of 2,000 terrorist plotters.

The intelligence source added that suicide bombers would only be stopped by either a "chance encounter" or by an intelligence-led investigation. But he added that if a terrorist cell was properly organised and secure there was very little the authorities could do to prevent an attack.

The latest disclosure follows the arrest of six men from Birmingham who were remanded in custody two weeks ago over an alleged UK suicide bombing plot.

Two of the six, Irfan Nasser and Irfan Khalid, are accused of preparing for an act of terrorism, including travelling to Pakistan for training in terrorism, making a martyrdom video and planning a bombing campaign. They are also accused of "being concerned in constructing" a home-made explosive device for terrorist acts and stating an intention to be a suicide bomber.

Earlier this year, classified intelligence documents disclosed by the whistle-blowing website WikiLeaks, showed that MI6 officers believed that Britain was facing a wave of suicide attacks from British-based Muslim extremists who had been trained in terrorist camps in Pakistan.

One report quoted an MI6 officer's briefing to US officials in which he said: "The internal threat is growing more dangerous because some extremists are conducting non-lethal training without ever leaving the country. Should these extremists then decide to become suicide operatives, HMG [Her Majesty's Government] intelligence resources, eavesdropping and surveillance would be hard pressed to find them on any 'radar screen'."

One intelligence official told this newspaper: "We may have only had one 'successful' suicide attack in Britain but the tactic remains an enduring threat. This is a generational problem we are facing. The terrorists are learning all the time and adapting their tactics. They now operate a cell structure and there security is very tight.

"Suicide bombers know the signs we will be looking for. So they don't pray in the moments before an attack, there will be no heavy coats in summer and they are becoming much more security aware. For every countermeasure we develop they create a new 'measure'. They will always be looking for our exposed flank."

Intelligence experts believe that suicide bombers are motivated by a number of factors including politics, religion, poverty, finance and social factors.

Research has shown that they can be drawn from all social strata and can range from the well-educated to the mentally impaired. In Iraq and Afghanistan, young children and women have been recruited, while in London, the 7/7 bombers who killed 52 people and injured hundreds more in four coordinated attacks on the Tube and bus network came from stable backgrounds with close families.

Another classified report, details of which have been passed to this newspaper, stated that suicide attacks had developed as the weapon of choice for al-Qaeda and its supporters because of the level of fear that such attacks can engender.

The report cited examples of past suicide attacks which were perceived by the organisations which mounted them as having produced successful outcomes, such as the Beirut barracks bombing of 1983 which was followed by the withdrawal of US forces from Lebanon

"The report cited examples of past suicide attacks which were perceived by the organisations which mounted them as having produced successful outcomes, such as the Beirut barracks bombing of 1983 which was followed by the withdrawal of US forces from Lebanon."


And wasn't there a small matter of a the Madrid train bombings, which were followed by Spain running away and pulling its troops out of Iraq?  So terrorism works, yes?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4845463/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/...


Oh, I'm sorry my poor leftists,  I've offended you by this linking of cause and effect!  Can't have chickens coming home to roost now, can we?  Well let me correct it so your tiny minds can sleep well in your cot at night:

  • "none of these events are connected and the laws of cause and effect do not apply in Spain in 2004, nor in Beirut in 1983"

There, happy now?

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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