It takes a nation to protect the nation
Secularism brings protection for religious minorities. When it's gone, it's gone. The drooling loons who cheered the so-called "arab spring" obviously had no concern for the rights of religious minorities in those countries. Even when the religious minorities have been suffering under the islamic invasion since the 7th century. The liberal-left idiots of the west seem to think that all over the world where muslims dominate it is because islam was invited in. Historically pre-islamic christian cultures (and jewish cultures) have just been under the yoke of islam for 1300 years. But don't tell the drooling loons -- they like their narratives simple, and preferably confined to a eurocentric guilt that has a short term memory.
It is sad to see people thinking that if the other 50% of the Tunisians had bothered to vote, it would have changed matters. When the conclusion is inevitable, why bother to vote? (The same thing happens in the UK).
I note that the islamist leader of Tunisia shares the same opinions as prominent muslims in Britain. And still the liberal-left here think they are not a problem.
Throughout the Middle East, long-standing dictators just ousted in the Arab Spring are being replaced by more oppressive forms of governance, even in the Arab world's most liberal country, Tunisia.
By Aidan Clay
Washington, D.C. February 29 (ICC) – Widely seen as the most secular country that recently deposed long-standing leaders, Tunisia, many believed, had the greatest opportunity to elect a moderate government concerned with democratic principles and human rights. However, the hopes of secularists, Christians, and other minorities were crippled in October when the Islamist Ennahda party won 41 percent of the votes for a national constitutional assembly, a one-year body charged with writing a constitution.
Along with other Islamist movements, Ennahda – at the time called the Movement of the Islamic Tendency – had been outlawed under former President Zine El Abedine Ben Ali. Robin Wright, an American foreign affairs analyst and author of Sacred Rage, described the Islamic Tendency as "the single most threatening opposition force [to Ben Ali's regime] in Tunis."
Ennahda's founder and chairman, Rashid Ghannouchi, considers himself a pupil of Iranian Ayatollah Khomeini. He defended the takeover of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran in 1979, and supported Saddam Hussein's invasion and annexation of Kuwait in 1990. In a speech given in Khartoum just before the Gulf War erupted, Ghannouchi said, "We must wage unceasing war against the Americans until they leave the land of Islam, or we will burn and destroy all their interests across the entire Islamic world,"The Brussels Journal reported.
Martin Kramer, the renowned Middle East scholar, labeled Ghannouchi "the most prominent Islamist in the West" during his 22-year exile in the U.K. At an Islamic Conference on Palestine attended by leaders of Lebanon's Hezbollah and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad in 1990, Ghannouchi said, "The greatest danger to civilization, religion and world peace is the United States Administration. It is the Great Satan."
The international community has ignored this extremist rhetoric and extolled Tunisia's revolutionary motives for "greater freedom." However, Ennahda is beginning to show its true colors by attacking freedom of speech and allowing violent Islamist movements to plunder the long-sought ideals of the revolution by demanding an Islamic state.
Death of Free Speech
Nabil Karoui, the owner of Tunisian channel Nessma TV, is currently on trial for blasphemy after airing the French-Iranian animated film Persepolis which features a cartoon depiction of God and is considered sacrilege to some Muslims. Nearly 140 lawyers filed lawsuits against Karoui for "violating sacred values" and "disturbing public order," Tunisia Live reported. Following the release of the film in Tunisia, a Salifist-led mob damaged Karoui's house with Molotov cocktails on October 14. If convicted, Karoui could face three to five years in prison. His trial has been adjourned until April 19, 2012.
"I am very sad when I see that the people that burned my house are free while I am here because I broadcast a film which was authorized," Karoui told reporters outside the courtroom. He described the trial as the "death of freedom of expression [in Tunisia]," AP reported.
While Human Rights Watch called the trial "a disturbing turn for the nascent Tunisian democracy," Ghannouchi, the voice of the Ennahda party, backed the trial, saying, "I support the Tunisians' right to denounce this attack on their religion," reported The New York Times.
On February 15, in a second disturbing attack on free speech in Tunisia, a publisher and two editors of Tunisia's Attounissia newspaper were arrested on charges of violating public morals for publishing a revealing photograph of a German-Tunisian football player with his girlfriend. The arrests raised further concerns among secularists that the Islamist-led government will increasingly seek to censor material it deems offensive to Islam.
Mongi Khadraoui, a senior member of the Tunisian journalists' union, told The Independent that article 121 of Tunisia's penal code, which was used to detain the three journalists, was introduced to arrest opponents of Ben Ali's 23-year-old regime, and that, while the publication of the photograph was a mistake, it "should be treated as a professional error rather than a crime."
"This issue is political and aims to quell the voice of the media and stop it [from] criticizing the government," Jihen Lagmari, a journalist at Attounissia, told Reuters. Lagmari also said she received telephone calls threatening to burn down the paper's headquarters.
Islamists vs. Secularists
On February 17, hundreds of Salafis – who follow the strict Wahhabi doctrine of Islam – protested in the streets of Tunis with signs calling for Islamic law and shouting "Allahhu Akbar!" ["Allah is the Greatest!"] after Friday prayers, AP reported.
Thus, Islamists have used their newly gained freedoms to threaten the very freedoms and values of secularists. If Islamists continue to gain power, violations against the rights of non-Muslims and liberals will inevitably continue. However, some believe the elections – that brought the Islamist Ennahda party to power – do not accurately represent the voice of the population's majority.
"In October 2011, when Tunisia's first post-revolutionary national elections took place… the turnout was 80 percent; but not, as was deceptively reported by the Western media, 80 percent of the total Tunisian population, but rather 80 percent of the 50 percent who had bothered to register to vote," British author and journalist John R. Bradley wrote in his book, After the Arab Spring. "In other words: Ennahda won despite the fact that more than 80 percent of all voting-age Tunisians did not actually vote for the party."
Tunis witnessed the secularists' response when over 6,000 demonstrators chanted the slogans "No to extremism" and "No niqab, no to Salafism" in a march for freedom of expression on January 28,Tunisia Live reported. Protestors also called for the government to stop the rise of an Islamist-based society, which would derail Tunisia's transition to democracy and threaten the gains made by the revolution.
Mustapha Tlili, the founder of the New York-based Center for Dialogues, views the recent actions taken by Islamists as an indicator that Islamists are hijacking the revolution. "Those that staged the revolution see it being stolen and hijacked," Tlili told Middle East Online. "The Islamists' discourse is to withdraw Tunisia from its natural environment and make it adopt Islamist values that are not those of the majority of Tunisians. They reject these values because they are not part of their daily life or vision of Islam."
"We've become the ahl al-dhimma," Abdelhalim Messaoudi, a journalist at Nessma TV, told The New York Times in reference to the second-class, tolerated status to which minorities have historically been subjected in Muslim states. "It is like the Middle Ages."
What Is Next? An Islamic State?
On February 20, Aridha Chaabia, [Popular List], the third-largest party in Tunisia's constituent assembly, proposed drafting a constitution based on Islamic law, Reuters reported. If the proposal wins the support of more than 60 percent of parliamentarians, it could pass without a referendum. Rashid Ghannouchi's Ennahda party, which will have the strongest voice in the vote, has already alluded to its endorsement of an Islamic-based constitution.
Hamadi Jebali, the Prime Minister of the Ennahda party, implied in mid-November that he sought a return of the Muslim caliphate. He further stated at a rally near his hometown of Sousse, standing side-by-side with a lawmaker from the Islamic Palestinian movement Hamas, that "the liberation of Tunisia will, God willing, bring about the liberation of Jerusalem," The Jerusalem Post reported.
"[Ghannouchi's] only condition for Muslim democracy to flourish is the sharing of the immutable principles of Islam as a shared set of values," Larbi Sadiki, a senior lecturer in Middle East Politics at the University of Exeter, wrote in an editorial for Al Jazeera.
Samir Dilou, spokesman for the Ennahdha Party, tried to ease secularists' concerns in an interview in May: "We do not want a theocracy. We want a democratic state that is characterized by the idea of freedom. The people must decide for themselves how they live…We are not an Islamist party, we are an Islamic party, which gets its direction from the principles of the Quran."
But can an Islamic party governed by the principles of the Quran value the freedoms of the country's secularists, including its religious minorities? Katharine Cornell Gorka, the Executive Director of The Westminster Institute, does not think so.
"Of all the people in the world, Americans first and foremost should recognize the absurdity of [Dilou's] statement," Gorka wrote. "All the evidence is there to suggest that Tunisia's new government will prove antagonistic both to American interests and to the values America is built on. That is not to suggest we should have intervened to create a different outcome. Tunisia's fate is its own. But neither should we be at the front of the cheering section, applauding what will likely be a long and brutal lesson for Tunisia on what happens when religion is enchained with politics."
Recent indicators in Tunisia suggest that Islam and democracy are not and cannot be compatible. John R. Bradley, in his book After the Arab Spring, offers an alarming glimpse into Tunisia's future governance: "[Ghannouchi] is for democracy 'as a system of government and a method of change' but – and here comes the conversation stopper – only insofar as it is compatible with Islam. The Quran remains the sole authoritative bases for legislation, whose earthly manifestation are the scholars… who interpret it so that the state's function is essentially executive in nature. To put it in a nutshell: Islam is the answer to everything, the final authority, and the sole source of legitimacy of government."
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Four foreigners have been arrested in Libya on suspicion of being missionaries and distributing Christian literature, a charge that could carry the death penalty.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/17/libya-arrests-suspected...
The beautiful "Arab Spring". It's as if jews who entered Czechoslovakia in 1970 were to be ushered into gas chambers.
The new authorities have obviously failed to maintain law and order. Crime is rampaging and popular discontent is on the rise. Prime Minister Ali Zeidan has shut the borders with neighboring Egypt and Tunisia from February 14 to 18 as a security precaution.
Though the anti-Gaddafi revolt erupted on February 17, the main celebrations will take place on the 15th . Airport security is being tightened. Meanwhile, Lufthansa and Austrian Airlines have suspended all flights to Libya until the 17th, citing “tensions on the grounds”. Earlier, Germany, France, Canada and other countries urged their citizens to immediately leave Benghazi over the imminent threat of terrorist attacks. Security is being tightened in the capital Tripoli and also in Benghazi where four U.S. diplomats were killed in a bloody raid on the U.S. consulate last September.
With anarchy and marauding flourishing in border areas where once strict law and order reigned under Gaddafi, most Libyans, particularly in the east, have been outraged by the authorities’ inaction. In addition to local extremists and “adventure seekers”, terrorists of all sorts, including groups of jihadists from Mali, have been pouring in. The “democracy” the West had once been so fervent in forcing upon Libya looks more like a medieval rule, says Director of the Cairo-based Java Center for Political Studies Rifaat Sayed Ahmad.
"NATO air strikes threw the once prospering country by African standards back into the Middle Ages, and still worse, they plunged it into a civil war. The West used military force to install an obedient yet unpopular regime unable to deal with the religious and tribal feud that is tearing the country apart. Libyan oil and gas – that was the main target of NATO’s military intervention in the name of the noble goal of freeing ordinary Libyans from Colonel Gaddafi’s dictatorship, as one French TV program put it."
The unhappy outcome is hardly a surprise and had been foreseen by analysts even before the intervention began, says Russian political scientist Stanislav Tarasov.
"Not just Russian analysts but Western ones as well made such forecasts. Libya is fragmented and may, in prospect, split into two or even three states. Some territories ruled by certain tribal clans have set up their own borders. In this situation, attempts by the so-called central government to adopt an all-Libyan law, a constitution accepted by all, appear to be doomed. The West which initiated the “Arab spring” in Libya can offer nothing except the use of force."
No immediate improvements should be expected though. Boris Dolgov, a senior researcher at the Center for Arabic Studies in Moscow, notes that Libya is a long way from stabilization. It is actually the hotbed of instability for the entire North Africa.
"We are witnessing a spread of radical Islamism, as in the case of Mali and Algeria. The events in Mali and Libya are closely intertwined. Gaddafi waged a war on radical extremism and kept the situation under control. More than 600 Islamists were in jails. After the fall of Gaddafi, they walked free and joined radical groups, including those operating in Mali."
Libya today is “a territory of absolute lawlessness”, as some Arab analysts call it, or rather it’s a powder keg to which a blazing torch has already been brought.
(ANSAmed) - TUNIS, FEBRUARY 18 - A statue commemorating Tunisia's slain opposition politician Chokri Belaid was destroyed by unidentified vandals on Sunday night just a few hours after being placed in the site where he was murdered in the capital Tunis. The statue, made by the union of Tunisian artists, had been inaugurated in a small ceremony right on the spot where the member of the Popular front opposition party was shot to death on February 6.(ANSAmed).
http://www.ansamed.info/ansamed/en/news/sections/generalnews/2013/0...
Muslim Brotherhood, modelled on the Nazi Party, set to takeover Tunisia completely.
http://tundratabloids.com/2013/05/barry-rubin-mb-takeover-of-tunisi...
Notice how the media have stopped talking about "The Arab Spring" some months ago.
Just so you can see history being re-written, have a look at this Wikipedia aritcle.
It says in 2012 people started referring to the Arab or Islamist Winter, instead of Arab Spring. They are vague about when in 2012 this happened. Earliest citation is December 2012. We were making these predictions in numerous discussions on 4F in 2012, this discussion in February 2012 being the earliest I can find, playing on the contrast of "liberal spring" and "fascist summer". That we even used "summer" shows how short-lived we predicted any liberalism would be. Others had to use "winter" because that was the time the were making their predictions i.e. it was already unravelling in the winter when they made their predictions, whereas we predicted the unravelling at the height of their deluded excitement, so we could say "it will unravel within 3 months).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Spring#Aftermath
Sadly no-one is going to pay us to understand where things are going to be, months or years before those things happen.
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Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them.
At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.
Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.
We need to capture this information before it is removed. The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.
We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.
These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper).
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:
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