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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution


Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

Deals with ideological threats to our freedom and society.  

Analyses argument and rhetoric in all its forms: media interview, debate, and oratory.

Also considers fight back by fixing the 4 constitutional vulnerabilities as identified in the principles of 4F.

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Religious arguments go in the Theology Room, so all the rest (i.e. secular ones) come into this room. One-on-one arguments are treated in the same way as combat skills are treated in the UFC, as a pure skill, unrelated to the truth or falsehood (whatever that is) of the underlying message.

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  • "The strictly leveled playing field is not a level playing field  (it advantages thugs)" - Alan Lake
  • "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving. It may succeed by its resistance to current tendencies in slowing down undesirable developments, but, since it does not indicate another direction, it cannot prevent their continuance. It has, for this reason, invariably been the fate of conservatism to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing. The tug of war between conservatives and progressives can only affect the speed, not the direction, of contemporary developments." - Hayek, 1961

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Comment by Antony on Tuesday

Chris Langan - Telesis = Money + Meaning | Telic Economy  ;

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 19, 2023 at 21:35

None of these woke theories has any substance. I do not think that the woke knowingly do harm. They are just so abysmally stupid, and stupid people can cause great harm.

Comment by Alan Lake on May 19, 2023 at 19:25

The theory of multi-cultural harmony is one that's never been proven. We were never even asked, by the woke Nazis, if we wanted to be in the ‘experiment’.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 19, 2023 at 16:04


America, USA, was only America when it was overwhelmingly white. Populated by people from Europe with European culture. As cultures and people from Asia, the Middle-East, Africa and South-America have increased America has become less unified. The skin color is very much a factor of this decline, their mentalities are incompatible with ours.
Multiculturalism is a myth because two or more conflicting cultures cannot occupy the same territory in harmony, undiscriminate immigration leads to ethnic conflict and the destruction of any Nation. Only a Nation with a common culture and identity can survive. Like it or not it will always be us versus them, because it is human nature to self-segregate into separate ethnic,racial, groups. We prefer our own kind.

Comment by Antony on May 19, 2023 at 10:01
Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 19, 2023 at 8:32
United Nations International Children's Emergency Fund.
Human Rights are a social construct, hypothetical and a choice, mostly wishful thinking.
The only rights you have are the ones that you want and can achieve and defend.
What rights do English patriotic nationalists have?
There are no human rights, other than the right to defend yourself and what you believe in, but only if you have the might to defend that right and believe in it.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 10, 2023 at 15:15
There is new stuff about climate change coming up all of the time now. I try to remain neutral but these climate fanatics and idiots make me skeptical towards man-made climate disaster theory. What interests me is how in twenty years time the most vocal disaster fanatics will be silent and there will be no one admitting that they were wrong. Human nature I guess. There are far more important problomatic issues that need sorting. Such as the destruction of Europe through mass-immigration, that the left are allowing out from their mistaken human rights principles.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 8, 2023 at 9:31

Socialists spend money, capitalists earn money, woke, criminals, narcos, antifa and trans are parasites that contribute nothing and cause harm.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 8, 2023 at 9:25

You can get a degree and become a professor in just about anything these days. What you should not be allowed to do is get a degree based on lies, fantasy and inaccuracies.
"Gender studies is an interdisciplinary academic field devoted to analysing gender identity and gendered representation. Gender studies originated in the field of women's studies, concerning women, feminism, gender, and politics.[1][2] The field now overlaps with queer studies and men's studies. Its rise to prominence, especially in Western universities after 1990, coincided with the rise of deconstruction.[3]"
This in its proper place should be part of psychology studies and mental disorders. Not treated as if it was fact and a reality. and healthy human activity.
"men's studies" can only reach one conclusion, which is that the vast majority of men are normal heterosexuals and masculine. That anything else is not normal and is an unhealthy deviation.

Comment by Alan Lake on May 8, 2023 at 1:39

What I detest about things like Gender Theory, Intersectionalism, X-studies (X can be just about anything)  - is that no mention is ever made of production and productivity.

These people constantly navel gazing and obsessing about their sexuality - do they ever produce anything of value to anyone else? Do they fix washing machines, or service cars, or grow wheat, or program machines? 

The rest of us just want to get on with our jobs and surviving, and others can do what they want with their own lives as long as it doesn't interfere with ours. But I get the impression with all the woke ideologies that many of them have never done a hard days intelligent work in their lives. Their self obsession is kind of their way of escaping from their (or perhaps its the cause of) their inability to perform in the real world.


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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