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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

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Fightback by Ideology, Dialogue & Constitution

Deals with ideological threats to our freedom and society.  

Analyses argument and rhetoric in all its forms: media interview, debate, and oratory.

Also considers fight back by fixing the 4 constitutional vulnerabilities as identified in the principles of 4F.

Members: 42
Latest Activity: Jan 18

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Religious arguments go in the Theology Room, so all the rest (i.e. secular ones) come into this room. One-on-one arguments are treated in the same way as combat skills are treated in the UFC, as a pure skill, unrelated to the truth or falsehood (whatever that is) of the underlying message.

The CODA glossary is here:
http://4freedoms.com/group/argumentation/forum/topics/dialogue-analysis-glossary


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  • "The strictly leveled playing field is not a level playing field  (it advantages thugs)" - Alan Lake
  • "Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving. It may succeed by its resistance to current tendencies in slowing down undesirable developments, but, since it does not indicate another direction, it cannot prevent their continuance. It has, for this reason, invariably been the fate of conservatism to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing. The tug of war between conservatives and progressives can only affect the speed, not the direction, of contemporary developments." - Hayek, 1961

Related Sites:
http://www.ethicalsoc.org.uk
http://www.humanism.org.uk
http://www.iransecularsociety.com
http://www.secularism.org.uk

Discussion Forum

Terminal Societal Sickness

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 16, 2022. 40 Replies

Lauren Southern - leaving politics

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Jul 31, 2022. 5 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Keir Starmer

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Feb 15, 2022. 8 Replies

The Power Elite

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Feb 7, 2022. 664 Replies

Failed Heroes of the Left: Tony Blair

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Antony Jan 2, 2022. 32 Replies

The Death of Democracy - collected articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jul 12, 2021. 32 Replies

Doxing the Doxers

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jul 9, 2021. 2 Replies

The Ideological Chasm

Started by Joe. Last reply by Joe Mar 2, 2021. 336 Replies

The US constitution

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Dec 3, 2020. 2 Replies

How to Respond to Abuse from SJW & Leftists

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 18, 2020. 2 Replies

Fascism, Nazism and Socialism - collected articles

Started by Paul Austin Murphy. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 20, 2020. 81 Replies

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Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 18, 2023 at 15:57

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXIoVEKIpMg
The victors write a history that conforms with their own self image.
Socialism is bad in all of its forms because it always ends up in oppression, the taking away of personal freedom. Without personal freedom there can be no economic creativity, such as in capitalism. Though if unrestrained capitalism is just as bad as unrestrained socialism. As in all good things there has to be a balance.
Few would dare to say anything positive about Hitler.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 1, 2023 at 10:01

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxTVSwt-jsU&list=WL&index=10
Towards a New European prehistory: genes, archaeology and language – Kristian Kristiansen
-We must accept the past because it is what we are and we should not apologise for being what we are or for the deeds of our ancestors.
This ethnic war continues and if we cannot defend what is ours it will be taken from us.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on December 25, 2022 at 8:22

https://www.imdb.com/list/ls510898518/
Best TV shows for regular folk (non-woke, anti-woke, in no particular order)

Comment by Philip Smeeton on December 25, 2022 at 8:09

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA7M_LE3Hss
Self-proclaimed 'mistress' seeks tax-funded sex 'dungeon' from Fort Lauderdale commissioners
This may seem insignificant but it is just one of the thousands of petty issues that are tearing apart the fabric of our civilisation. Every minority lunatic or not is demanding recognition and tax-payers money. That laws be enacted and enforced to protect them.
Every thing from trans, woke and vegan to the huge problems of hundreds of thousands crossing the US and EU borders, the war in Ukraine, the Taliban in Afghanistan, climate and covid fanatics, ad infinitum.
You have to wilfully ignore every reality if you are to indulge in the fantasy of a one cultural united world.
As Enoch Powell said: We must be mad, literally mad, ...watching a (world) busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre.
(“We must be mad, literally mad, as a nation to be permitting the annual inflow of some 50,000 dependents, who are for the most part the material of the future growth of the immigrant-descended population. It is like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre.”)

Comment by Philip Smeeton on December 21, 2022 at 13:11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmzrtzpoxSs
Soccer Player SUES WOKE Coach For FORCING Her To KNEEL DURING National Anthem
(BLM, white guilt, free speech,discrimination, intelligent conservative blacks. This black gentleman, The Officer Tatum, tells it like it is).

Comment by Philip Smeeton on December 19, 2022 at 9:14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f47FrNX-6xY
This can’t be real
This woke mentality is hard to understand because it is based on feelings instead of facts. Also these misguided people in positions of power tend to want to control people. You cannot expect them to ever admit that they are wrong. Anything that supports their warped and delusional perception of reality is unquestioningly taken to be fact.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on December 17, 2022 at 16:06

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHjXW-aAmB8&list=WL&index=5...
Rod Liddle - The Feminist Roots of Woke: How The West Went Mad. THE NCF SMITH LECTURE 2022.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on December 9, 2022 at 18:27

https://www.glamour.com/story/kate-winslet-recalls-straight-up-crue...
Kate Winslet Recalls the ‘Straight-Up Cruel’ Body-Shaming She Experienced After Titanic.
Is it discrimination if you do not give the fat girl the part or include a trans person in the cast. Or have an all white cast.
Art must be free, what is wrong with being slim and beautiful. Fat is unhealthy and I care what my girlfriend and portrait subjects look like. We cannot abandon the concept of beauty. Concepts of beauty and ugliness are relatively objective. I hate lies however they manifest themselves. People lie to themselves.
Around this article about Winslet there were adverts offering eay slimming.
A new method to fight overweight. You stick the patch on and lose 7-8 kg in 10 days
Amazing results from an innovative weight loss treatment developed by French scientists. Simply stick a patch on your skin and the fat burns off by itself. It does not require any drastic diets or regular physical activity. Are we facing the weight loss of the future? All indications are that it is.
This is just one more scam to make money out of stupid people that want benefits without having to work for them.
Eat less and exercise more. Most people ar overweight because they are lazy, myself included.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on December 8, 2022 at 14:07

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwwbigT4ACo
Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore: “CO2 is entirely beneficial”

Comment by Philip Smeeton on December 7, 2022 at 22:57

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYOMKLDbeYE&t=1888
Valentina Zharkova.
The global warming that is happening now will be followed by a global cooling. And the Sun is causing the warming not CO2.
I have heard this before years ago from what I regard to be serious science. The sun's periodic oscillation is new to me.
Unfortunately I will not be around to witness this but my intellect and a long life dedicated to evaluating factual information tells me that this global warming hysteria is nonsense and that the warming must be seen to be positive and adapted to.

 

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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