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It takes a nation to protect the nation



The two attachments are for information, discussion and distribution. I have cherry picked some data, as there is a clear lack of up to date and in depth information on illegal entry into Australia. This is I believe by design as the 2 main political parties here bicker over policy. For balance I have attached a document from the Refugee Council of Australia.

The opinions in my document are my own, and are formed from evidence available and data in the public domain.

Regards from Australia

Dave Phillips

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 Hi Dave,

The figures show that refugees are making there way down under. Indonesia is right on your doorstep, and you,d think that islamic reugee's would stay there no matter where in the world they come from as it is an islamic friendly country. Why any Muslim would want to head for an infidel country to seek asylum is just beyond me.

As always happens you'll get the first arrivals who will demand victum status, then they;ll want the rest of their family to join them, then the networks to smuggle more illigals in will start becoming more successful, then your own legal system, and the UN legal system will be used to for you to take more.

You don't have a big enough population yourself to absorb a large number of refugees. And tempory camps have a habit of becoming permenant. If maximum numbers are not agreed on and inforced vigorously, you will be in serious trouble in 10 yrs.

Thanks for all the stats, with your permission i,ll be using some of them for some work i,m doing on the subject.  


I believe most Muslims leave sharia heaven because they are first of all human beings who want a better life in terms of freedoms and wealth.  But they do not leave behind their Islam mindset completely and therefore become an outpost or settlement for d'awa and jihad for the more devout followers of Islam who will aggressively push for the implementation of what the other, less devout Muslims, left behind.  When will the less devout stand up to the more devout?  When will the moderate and the pick-and-choose-your-own-bits-from-the-Quran-and-hadith Muslims take on the radicals?

 There are muslims who speak out, unfortunatly they are soon targeted and discredited by more radical elements from the faith. What we need is the moderates to be given a lot of airtime, on TV and lots of front page exposure in the papers. With the radical message demonized and the moderates held up as examples. Combine this with long sentences in prison for radicals, who should be locked up without access to halal food or a mosque or an imams. If as everyone says these radicals have hijacked islam and are not true muslims, why oh why do we treat them as such. When they,ve finnished their sentences deport them. Deport their familiys as well. Once you allow familiys of radicals to remain you risk homegrown terrorist.  Kick out all radical preachers straight away. 

 Those that excape from islam, should be left in no doubt, that when they excape, the countries they make their home, will not allow islam to come and reclaim them.  The trouble is hell will freeze over before our sniveling leaders will ever act with such decisive action. The radicals will keep coming and using your laws to remain. Only a radical change in the people you vote into power will change happen. But where are these people to come from. We are struggling for leaders who want to change direction, and that does not look like its going to change anytime soon. 

Hi Dave,

I know what your saying, you have to be realistic about what is required, against what is really going to happen. The politician's arn't going to change unless the public let them know they,ll be out of work if they don't listern to public opinion. This off cause is fairly unrealistic at the moment.

Do you use twitter, or facebook much. I post almost everything i see on both media's.  After time you get an idea of how much notice people take by the like or dis like button (facebook) and followers on twitter. I get moaned at for some of my post's, but strangely enough noone has unfriended me from facebook because of them. So hopefully some people are being educated.

Good luck with the poll. Keep us up to date with your findings.



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