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Kuffarphobia in Canada


Kuffarphobia in Canada

To fight for the 4 Freedoms in Canada

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Free Speech being strangled in Canada

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Feb 6, 2021. 10 Replies

Even school lies

Started by Herman Van Keer Jan 22, 2016. 0 Replies

no hijab with the RCMP

Started by Herman Van Keer. Last reply by Alan Lake Jan 18, 2016. 3 Replies

apologists for islamic rape

Started by Herman Van Keer Jan 17, 2016. 0 Replies

Tarek Fatah and Muslim Deception

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Joe Nov 29, 2014. 1 Reply

Honor Horror Trial Opens in Canada

Started by kim Israela. Last reply by paul collings Oct 9, 2013. 2 Replies

The Liberals are the the liberals

Started by paul collings. Last reply by Alan Lake Feb 13, 2012. 1 Reply


Started by Dag Walker. Last reply by morgan Sep 23, 2010. 4 Replies

History of the Jihad against Canada (2001 - Ongoing)

Started by Charles Martel. Last reply by John Q. Public Dec 17, 2009. 3 Replies

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Comment by Vlad Tepes Blog Dot Com on October 16, 2009 at 21:07
Canada is big country. Too far to walk end to end. Where is that Dag?
Comment by Dag Walker on October 16, 2009 at 21:04
Hello from Vancouver, Canada.

As some of you will know already, my colleagues and I meet at VPL each Thursday evening from 7-9:00 p.m. in the atruim outside Blenz coffee bar for discussion. You're welcome to meet us in person. we'll look forward to that. till then, I'll see you here.

Regards, Dag, Son of Walker.
Comment by morgan on October 16, 2009 at 18:25
I am useless with computers, no idea. I like Jason Kenny. Heard he is all over the internet reading this stuff (Macleans magazine) he specifically mentioned not wanting Canada to become like parts of England and France....
Comment by Vlad Tepes Blog Dot Com on October 16, 2009 at 18:06
If you go to and visit the page, Agendas and Views of this site, near the bottom you will find the link to this essay. Yes you will likely know most or all that is in it. However it is so well done, that you may feel its worth printing and giving to people. Hell I have left copies on buses for example. As for the rest, agreed. Even a substantial fraction of the Conservative party doesn't get it yet however the ones I have met have understood the issue well and some policy decisions seem to be getting made to address some of the issues. Hell the fact that the Canada Arab Federation alone hates Jason Kenny is a very good sign for the Harper government. By the way, is there some switch that will allow this site to send the comments to my email instead of just a notice that there is a comment here? I get dozens of notices a day from youtube for instance and it would be great to know which ones need a response and which do not without having to log in and check the thread.
Comment by morgan on October 16, 2009 at 17:59
I can't open that speech/essay...let me guess: We need to go back to our christian roots, church etc. Political correctness is crap which I think it is, marxism is making us all sheep. I agree with it all, I see it all. We need to change some laws, especially immigration, we need to fight for our rights, culture, identity etc. We need independant men in power who cannot be bought by money or favour (like the liberals). Avarice is the root of evil. (greed, money, power)
We need to take a break from massive immigration for at least 10 years in order to absorb and assimilate the persons we already have. We have third world ghetto's in every major city, many do not speak english nor french. Multiculturalism has been a one way street, I don't feel enriched by it, do you?
Comment by Vlad Tepes Blog Dot Com on October 16, 2009 at 17:39
Morgan yes it often looks like islam is not beating us, so much as we are committing suicide and Islam is filling the vacuum. Here is a rather excellent speech/essay on this subject I think.
Comment by morgan on October 16, 2009 at 17:23
Many places in Canada have lost their culture. Shopping malls not allowed to say Christmas, no Christmas concerts at schools, two families tried to stop the singing of the National Anthem in a school because it was against their religion...With the Liberals and the human rights commission it seems we lost our identity, same with the UK...
Comment by Vlad Tepes Blog Dot Com on October 16, 2009 at 17:14
The Burka ban is simply the wrong approach. One does not guarantee freedoms by removing freedoms. The answer should probably resemble the US policy on political Shinto in WW2. The religion of Islam is allowed, however political Islam is not. Once one destroys the ideology, as we did with Nazism, Shinto (and arguably lost to communism,) burkas will not be seen because very few women will choose to wear one freely, once we manage to guarantee Muslim women free choice. This means of course, a revival of Canadian culture, values and behavioral norms or more specifically, a resurgence of confidence in them.
Comment by morgan on October 16, 2009 at 17:09
In regards to the burka ban... so we won't know who they are and how many are in Canada? They make up 2.5% of the population as of 2006...

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Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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