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It takes a nation to protect the nation

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"I heard some of the news on Radio 4 tonight, and was shocked to hear them actually t…"

Joe replied Aug 23, 2013 to Churches Burning across Egypt

34 Oct 2, 2013
Reply by Kinana

"Egyptian army now saying they rigged the elections to make sure the MB won.  They th…"

Joe replied Aug 22, 2013 to Arab Spring=Sharia Winter=Fascist Summer

55 Oct 7, 2014
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"Happily, I now see multiple commenters on that Telegraph article (to which I posted…"

Joe replied Aug 20, 2013 to Nazi Roots of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood

33 Apr 21, 2015
Reply by Alan Lake

"We were only 2.5 years ahead of the Egyptian ambassador (and now the British media)…"

Joe replied Aug 19, 2013 to Nazi Roots of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood

33 Apr 21, 2015
Reply by Alan Lake

"This girl was even wearing a hijab. Cairo youths in line to grope girl http://www.st…"

Joe replied Aug 12, 2013 to High rate of harassment, sexual assault in Egypt and other Arab nations

11 Aug 12, 2013
Reply by Joe

"MORSI SUPPORTERS IN TAHRIR SQUARE: YOU’VE CREATED A NEW TALIBAN AND AL-QAIDA, CHRIST…"

Joe replied Jul 5, 2013 to Arab Spring=Sharia Winter=Fascist Summer

55 Oct 7, 2014
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Joe replied Jul 5, 2013 to Arab Spring=Sharia Winter=Fascist Summer

55 Oct 7, 2014
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"Egypt prepares for backlash as Morsi allies reject new regime http://tundratabloids.…"

Joe replied Jul 5, 2013 to Arab Spring=Sharia Winter=Fascist Summer

55 Oct 7, 2014
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"91 women raped in 4 days in Cairo's "Freedom to Rape" Square. http://www.dailymail.…"

Joe replied Jul 4, 2013 to High rate of harassment, sexual assault in Egypt and other Arab nations

11 Aug 12, 2013
Reply by Joe

"And right on cue: "The brother of Al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri, who lives in Eg…"

Joe replied Jul 4, 2013 to Arab Spring=Sharia Winter=Fascist Summer

55 Oct 7, 2014
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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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