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It takes a nation to protect the nation

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"Those of us who saw the Pew survey on attitudes of muslims in Egypt, published a few…"

Joe replied Apr 7, 2012 to Protests in Egypt: from Dictatorship to Democracy or Islamism

5 Aug 14, 2013
Reply by Alan Lake

"Move along. Nothing to see here. More of Roald Dahl's Tales of the Pretty Much What…"

Joe replied Feb 29, 2012 to Protests in Egypt: from Dictatorship to Democracy or Islamism

5 Aug 14, 2013
Reply by Alan Lake

"Proof that the "arab spring" was just like the Prague Spring.  They overthrew dictat…"

Joe replied Feb 29, 2012 to More incidents of love and peace in the beautiful 'Arab Spring'

1 Feb 29, 2012
Reply by Joe

"He is a typical Harry's Place post-activist (something like a post-feminist).  It's…"

Joe replied Feb 5, 2012 to Football Hooligans and Egypt's "Revolution"

2 Feb 5, 2012
Reply by Joe

"Well, now the chickens are coming home to roost.  I hope the deluded western liberal…"

Joe replied Jan 27, 2012 to EG Christians (Copts, original Egyptians, native Egyptians) call for Protection!

2 Feb 23, 2013
Reply by Joe

"It looks like a re-run of the Lara Logan episode.…"

Joe replied Jan 26, 2012 to High rate of harassment, sexual assault in Egypt and other Arab nations

11 Aug 12, 2013
Reply by Joe

"This it the media's delusional "arab spring".  This guy sounds as demented as the mu…"

Joe replied Dec 16, 2011 to Egypt: Fascists plan to blow up Churches, destroy monuments

8 Jul 12, 2012
Reply by Alan Lake


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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