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It takes a nation to protect the nation

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"He's wrong about it being a war on symbols. It's a war on conceptualisation. It is T…"

Joe replied Jun 12, 2018 to Outlawing Words and Symbols

10 Jun 12, 2018
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"Wow.  He's on board with Chelsea Russell, while no-one in the UK has mentioned her.…"

Joe replied Jun 12, 2018 to Outlawing Words and Symbols

10 Jun 12, 2018
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"I warned this was coming.  No-one took me seriously.  I said that 4F would only be r…"

Joe replied Jun 12, 2018 to Outlawing Words and Symbols

10 Jun 12, 2018
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"That's the Frame Game guy I recommended to you some weeks ago."

Joe replied Jun 12, 2018 to Outlawing Words and Symbols

10 Jun 12, 2018
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"That's why I have the utmost admiration for this little Chinese man.  As they say, h…"

Joe replied Apr 6, 2018 to Speaker's Corner: Status and Events

9 Sep 26, 2018
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"NB 1.When he was with the EDL he was unemployed and penniless (and there was virtual…"

Joe replied Feb 11, 2018 to The Muslim Controlled BBC (MC-BBC)

101 Apr 15, 2021
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"After the "Iranian revolution" the lowest age for marriage for girls was reduced to…"

Joe replied Jan 29, 2018 to Can we talk about the Pedophilia of Mohammed?

3 Jan 29, 2018
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"Someone with 700,000 followers are only just realising that we are in a post-dialogu…"

Joe replied Oct 24, 2017 to The Post-Dialogue World

15 Nov 17, 2019
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"Google is going to hide web pages which people report as offensive.  Telling the tru…"

Joe replied Mar 17, 2017 to The Slow Death of Free Speech - by Mark Steyn at the Spectator

18 Oct 4, 2020
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"Once again, the BBC has put a Muslim in charge of the state-approved religious broad…"

Joe replied Feb 26, 2017 to The Muslim Controlled BBC (MC-BBC)

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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