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It takes a nation to protect the nation

This is not about kuffarphobia specifically, but is a general comment about the reduction in freedom of speech, both because of the witch hunt syndrome, but also now because of people giving up. It is in line with Joe's observation of us being in the 'post-dialogue world'.

The witch hunt mentality of social media and mainstream media has now reached such a level, that clever people are now refraining from making any comments at all on anything.  

Kate Winslet 'not bothered' by age gap debate:

Winslet, however, declined to be drawn on the issue, despite having claim to being no less marginalised. ...

"I think it's such a big debate and it's probably quite dangerous for me to comment because it will be taken and blown up as these things do tend to be.

"With something like that, you can't change that ever-evolving discussion. It doesn't matter what I say, what you think, what the next person thinks - it is the way it is.

I saw other examples previously but didn't capture them.  Then you can look at Victor Hanson's blog and see that people are giving up responding.  Previously, there would be around 10 comments after every essay.  But for the last 4 essays, there have been no comments at all.  Compare these 4 with all the previous ones and you will see the difference.

People were still commenting on the preceeding two, for example:

It seems like people are also giving up because they despair of the political process.  After all, when the fascist left are controlling all the levers, what's the point?

Future generations will look back, like Stalin's downtrodden serfs, with astonishment at the way we fearlessly gave our opinions before, confident of impunity.

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There is no dialogue, nor is it possible, there is no common ground, even though English is spoken it is as if we were speaking different languages, their truths are theoretical principles, while I do believe our side is more objective and in touch with facts and reality, it is a war and the side that wins will be right.

To give an example, these Paris attacks, the leftist media and politicians say that they have nothing to do with the real Islam. That they are carried out by a tiny minority that has perverted Islam.

While I think that a normal sane person given knowledge about the ideology of Islam and it's history and the behaviour of Muslims worldwide, the terrible atrocities in the name of Islam. This normal person will clearly conclude that the Paris attacks were inspired by Islam and are what Islam teaches Muslims to do and expects them to do; kill, mutilate and terrorize, and force Islam and sharia on everyone until the whole world is Muslim.

Islam makes no secret of its intent, so why is it so difficult to understand that Mohammed has clearly described how to force Islam on people through violence and fear, and that believers are obliged to carry out these instructions or burn in eternal agony. The ticket to Paradise is purchased with murder.

Someone with 700,000 followers are only just realising that we are in a post-dialogue world and that the Left have no principles (except --- power by any means necessary).

Welcome to the party pal. We were years ahead of you in noticing where things were going.

When I began speaking my mind, I accepted that a Muslim loony might knock on my door with a big knife, I armed myself and took precautions. I risk some antifa punk throwing a brick through my window. That the police could knock on my door is what I find most disgusting. Then there is the censorship in the various media.

None of which will ever stop me commenting everywhere I can and using my real name. I am in the telephone catalogue. I do not consider myself any sort of hero, I detest conflict, but I am prepared to defend that which I believe in and to kill if I have to.

I am not high profile enough for anyone to care. Those that really risk their livelihoods, family and lives are the real heroes. The ones on the streets actively demonstrating. I believe in a political solution, but anything that helps the cause is very welcome. I see my role as an ideologist, giving people words and arguments and understanding. Not that I subscribe to ideologies. Stating the obvious cannot be done often enough, and repeating yourself is a necessity. My, and I believe our, message is simple and clearly stated. We see what is wrong and we see what has to be done to right this wrong. 


I was recommending this position around 2010/2011.  

What's truly significant is that the average age for UK TV viewers is around 60yo.  And every year, that average age increases by a year.  Which shows the extent to which the younger generation reject TV.

It's really hard to imagine what will happen by 2028, when the average age of The a repoter will be around 70yo.  The major means by which the elite have spun incidents is going to come to an end.  That means that the public are going to be increasingly drawing conclusions for themselves, based on what they have seen some friend say.

The only ways that the state will have to indoctrinate will be the day prisons (i.e. school, university). That means they  can form the basic mentality of the younger population.  The power of control by state is going to be significantly diminished.

In the case of muslims and other immigrants it is the homes that dictate the mentality of the pupil. The schooling has little effect. Let us hope that our children develope the abilty to think "that doesn't sound right" when they are told something by our betters.

For the sake of someone else, at the request of a "respected" journalist I provided him with a shedload of documentation proving the truth about a situation.  The journalist ignored it all, and continued with the standard lying narrative.  I wasted an hour or two of my time.  And there was no way I could change the narrative.  In fact, by providing all that content, I actually had the potential to make things worse, by providing them with information of which they were unaware that they could spin to harm the person I tried to help.


An account of how a Swedish "social democrat" woke up to discover that what the Left said about their opposition was in reality a true reflection of the Left.

It's no wonder that Sweden Democrats are now the leading party in that country.  Swedicide.

The insanity around Tommy continues.

Over the last year Radio 4 has lost 10% of its audience (a claimed loss of 800,000 - I don't believe they ever had anything like 8 million listeners, probably not more than 1 million who would listen on daily basis).  The "far right" Daily Express reports that this 10% loss in a YEAR has come about because in the last WEEK Radio 4 interviewed Raheem Kassam (who expressed support for Tommy).

Can these people not see how insane they are?  Across everyone I have ever met in my entire life, I have met 3 people who listen to Radio 4.  Kinana is one of them.  The second one is a gay man (son of a Muslim immigrant) who spent the last 30 years working for the EU in Brussels.  He maintained a home in London and one in Brussels.  He came back from the EU and that is when I met him him.  He hates what's been done to the UK, he goes round calling people "niggers" and "pakis".  No sign of him abandoning Radio 4.  

I also listen to Radio 4. But only to send me to sleep with their droning, middle-class inanities and moralising.

I no longer have a TV. It was quite literally 37 channels and nothing on. Hours of advertisements and biased news reports that enraged me. So no more telly for me.

I have Amazon Prime video, in2streams .com, buy stuff or get it free on the net, Breitbart and news outlets that do not insult me. Actually I save a lot of money without TV, no more cable fee or state TV licence.

It is amazing it has taken these people so long to catch up.  They spent their time preaching to the choir on YouTube. 

Molyneux has nearly 1 million subscribers on YouTube.  Yet when he stepped out into the "civilised" world (Australia, New Zealand) they found that they are prevented by the Leftist mob.

We knew this a decade ago.  We knew that what was needed was the Left needed to be crushed by an equally violent opposing mob.

"The media calling us all sorts of horrible things..."

He wants peace and reason in confrontation with people who want violence and irrationality.

The Left have not faced any resistance since the advent/decline of the decade of the Thatcher Interregnum. No-one under the age of 45 has ever seen the Leftist project falter. And he thinks that they will give up their agenda without violence?

Those that resort to violence have lost the argument. I believe or hope that socialism will die out in much the same way that christianity is doing. Islam is expanding, but no system of belief can survive in the long run. They only survive for as long as they can be forced upon people through tyranny. Christianity was dreadful when it held all of the power in the West.

There will always be people of low intellect of course.

We live in an age of knowledge and information that has never existed before. I am hoping reason will prevail.


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