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It takes a nation to protect the nation

This is not about kuffarphobia specifically, but is a general comment about the reduction in freedom of speech, both because of the witch hunt syndrome, but also now because of people giving up. It is in line with Joe's observation of us being in the 'post-dialogue world'.

The witch hunt mentality of social media and mainstream media has now reached such a level, that clever people are now refraining from making any comments at all on anything.  

Kate Winslet 'not bothered' by age gap debate:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-34785992

Winslet, however, declined to be drawn on the issue, despite having claim to being no less marginalised. ...

"I think it's such a big debate and it's probably quite dangerous for me to comment because it will be taken and blown up as these things do tend to be.

"With something like that, you can't change that ever-evolving discussion. It doesn't matter what I say, what you think, what the next person thinks - it is the way it is.

I saw other examples previously but didn't capture them.  Then you can look at Victor Hanson's blog and see that people are giving up responding.  Previously, there would be around 10 comments after every essay.  But for the last 4 essays, there have been no comments at all.  Compare these 4 with all the previous ones and you will see the difference.

http://victorhanson.com/wordpress/?p=8785#more-8785

http://victorhanson.com/wordpress/?p=8775#more-8775

http://victorhanson.com/wordpress/?p=8768#more-8768

http://victorhanson.com/wordpress/?p=8754#more-8754

People were still commenting on the preceeding two, for example:

http://victorhanson.com/wordpress/?p=8747#more-8747

http://victorhanson.com/wordpress/?p=8742#more-8742

It seems like people are also giving up because they despair of the political process.  After all, when the fascist left are controlling all the levers, what's the point?

Future generations will look back, like Stalin's downtrodden serfs, with astonishment at the way we fearlessly gave our opinions before, confident of impunity.

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There is no dialogue, nor is it possible, there is no common ground, even though English is spoken it is as if we were speaking different languages, their truths are theoretical principles, while I do believe our side is more objective and in touch with facts and reality, it is a war and the side that wins will be right.

To give an example, these Paris attacks, the leftist media and politicians say that they have nothing to do with the real Islam. That they are carried out by a tiny minority that has perverted Islam.

While I think that a normal sane person given knowledge about the ideology of Islam and it's history and the behaviour of Muslims worldwide, the terrible atrocities in the name of Islam. This normal person will clearly conclude that the Paris attacks were inspired by Islam and are what Islam teaches Muslims to do and expects them to do; kill, mutilate and terrorize, and force Islam and sharia on everyone until the whole world is Muslim.

Islam makes no secret of its intent, so why is it so difficult to understand that Mohammed has clearly described how to force Islam on people through violence and fear, and that believers are obliged to carry out these instructions or burn in eternal agony. The ticket to Paradise is purchased with murder.

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom of Movement
The government can import new voters - except where that changes the political demographics (i.e. electoral fraud by means of immigration)
4. SP Freedom from Over-spending
People should not be charged for government systems which they reject, and which give them no benefit. For example, the government cannot pass a debt burden across generations (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is be deducible by equal application of law: "Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight - except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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