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Egypt says gay people are not “real people”

Joseph Mayton | 21 June 2012 | 2 Comments

Egypt delegation at UN Human Rights Council says gay people are not “real people.”

CAIRO: An Egyptian delegation at the United Nations Human Rights Council in Geneva on Thursday has urged the body to focus its efforts on “real people” who need assistance in questioning the rights of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community.

“Finally, concerning the highly controversial notion of sexual orientation, we can only reiterate that it is not part of the universally recognized human rights,” said the Egyptian delegation at the UN Human Rights Council.

“We call on Mr. Kiai not to undermine the credibility and legitimacy oh his important work in the eyes of real people who actually need it, especially in regions where such concepts are rejected by both its Christian and Muslim inhabitants like the Middle East,” the statement added.

Egypt’s gay community has long battled stereotypes and discrimination. Last year, the country’s LGBT community had wanted to hold a demonstration in Tahrir Square to push for their rights, but canceled it, saying the country was not ready.

“We have the right to come out in society and to protect ourselves and protect our society from oppressing homosexuals because a society that doesn’t accept the other is a sick one,” said the Facebook page of the groups on why they had planned a protest.

The Facebook page saw numerous homophobic comments, murder threats and a number of people posted Qur’anic quotes to portray how homosexuality was a “sin.”

The administrator reposted the comments so the LGBT community could see the animosity directed at them.

Posted on behalf of the Facebook page’s administrator, a man had sent in this comment:

“What’s the harm if two people from the same sex somewhere in this world are hugging each other? How did I harm you? Did I take something that is yours? Did I eat your food? What? I am a human who feels, loves, hates, gets angry, forgives, and feels happy!”

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 The Rethoric that comes out of Egypt recently seems to point to sharia law being more closely followed. And the cario decleration on human rights being the accepted measure of rights for Egypts citizens. That is Human rights that don't go against the Sharia..  looks like Egypt may end up looking like dubai. can't hold hands in public, no kissing, drink quitely in designated places. 

Driving  all the christians out has been an on going task for a while, killing gays could well be added to the list of things to do once the govenment has got established.  One giant leap for the muslim brotherhood, one giant leap backwards for mankind.

Sooner or later Shamnesty International is going to have it's feet held to the flame.  Not one document on their entire website discusses the Cairo Declaration.  

 The thing that has got my goat about this, is this was said in Geneva, at the UN human rights council, and the Egyptian delegation were not frogmarched out the door. United nations my foot. It is now, and has been for a while the Islamic nations!

The Egyptian Delegation to the UN HRC are the ones that have outlawed any discussion of FGM, on the grounds that its a protected religious issue.

By the time the Leftard slime wakes up, the game will be completely over in the OIC countries for Gays, women, Christians, Jews, etc.

Any links to news reports on this suppression of discussion on fgm would be appreciated !

This gives a good account of whats being suppressed. And by whom.


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