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It takes a nation to protect the nation

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"In a discussion with Usama Hasan, who was saying that islam protects the works of ot…"

Joe replied Jul 1, 2015 to The Islamic Destruction of the Buddhas of Bamyan (Afghanistan, 2001)

11 Sep 3, 2020
Reply by Alan Lake

"Very interesting, disturbing and strange. The Apotheosis of War looks like something…"

Joe replied May 11, 2015 to Vasily Vasilyevich Vereshchagin,

2 May 11, 2015
Reply by Philip Smeeton

"I believe it is Paul's position that in the UK in the 1970s, there was a sudden deci…"

Joe replied Apr 18, 2015 to Britain: Lost Territory,

10 Jun 6, 2019
Reply by Antony

"I couldn't find a discussion collecting the other modern-day destruction of ancient…"

Joe replied Apr 5, 2015 to The Islamic Destruction of the Buddhas of Bamyan (Afghanistan, 2001)

11 Sep 3, 2020
Reply by Alan Lake

"UNESCO stops charity from re-building Bamiyan Buddhas.   The Buddhas were a UNESCO "…"

Joe replied Feb 13, 2014 to The Islamic Destruction of the Buddhas of Bamyan (Afghanistan, 2001)

11 Sep 3, 2020
Reply by Alan Lake

"It's not even worth giving the popular definitions of the word "fascism" any credenc…"

Joe replied Feb 7, 2013 to Italy: Kuffarphobes try to destroy 14th century fresco in Bologna

11 Feb 7, 2013
Reply by Joe

"Phillip, it just goes to show how successfully the left have managed to shift the so…"

Joe replied Feb 7, 2013 to Italy: Kuffarphobes try to destroy 14th century fresco in Bologna

11 Feb 7, 2013
Reply by Joe

"Yes.  Perhaps the only qualification might be that islam is Ur-Fascism, proto-fascis…"

Joe replied Feb 7, 2013 to Italy: Kuffarphobes try to destroy 14th century fresco in Bologna

11 Feb 7, 2013
Reply by Joe

"http://www.amazon.co.uk/Liberal-Fascism-History-Mussolini-Politics/... That book exp…"

Joe replied Feb 7, 2013 to Italy: Kuffarphobes try to destroy 14th century fresco in Bologna

11 Feb 7, 2013
Reply by Joe

"Alan is now making a habit of refusing to distinguish between the totalitarian soci…"

Joe replied Feb 6, 2013 to Italy: Kuffarphobes try to destroy 14th century fresco in Bologna

11 Feb 7, 2013
Reply by Joe

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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