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Have Been watching Sky news who have managed to get one of its reporters into Alleppo. The City is a world heritage site, and with good cause. The city is over 4000 years old, and the Biblical Abraham is supposed to have spent time there. Here is a brief history.


I'm happy that A reporter has got inside Alleppo to report on the destruction of such an ancient site.  The way the reporter spoke you'd think the mosques were 4000 years old. The oldest mosque is believed to be twelve centry.

The biggest crime is the destruction of the ancient covered market and the citidel, yes the destruction of the  mosques are a criime as well, but Alleppo,s history is only about a third Islamic. The City was around over 2500 years before islam came knocking. And the suggestion that islam stretchs back into Alleppo's or syria's ancient history is a distortion of the facts. The mosque is old. But i would not refer to it as Ancient.

The biggest claim to fame of the mosque is a piece of hair, that is supposed to come from mohhamad, is placed there for all to worship.  

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Isis beheads elderly chief of antiquities in ancient Syrian city:

This sounds very familiar, Muslim crusades and the destruction of temples.

"Kafiristan was inhabited by a polytheistic pagan culture before large numbers converted to Islam in the 1890s."
Another crusade against idolatry was at length resolved on; and Mahmud led the seventh one against Nardain, the then boundary of India, or the eastern part of the Hindu Kush; separating as Firishta says, the countries of Hindustan and Turkistan and remarkable for its excellent fruit. The country into which the army of Ghazni marched appears to have been the same as that now called Kafirstan, where the inhabitants were and still are, idolaters and are named the Siah-Posh, or black-vested by the Muslims of later times. In Nardain there was a temple, which the army of Ghazni destroyed; and brought from thence a stone covered with certain inscriptions, which were according to the Hindus, of great antiquity[13]


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