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It takes a nation to protect the nation

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Joe replied Sep 21, 2014 to Taqiyya is a Genuine Islamic Practice

1 Sep 21, 2014
Reply by Joe

"Twice as many "British" muslims killing christians, beheading journalists as there a…"

Joe replied Aug 23, 2014 to Muslim Infiltration of the Police and Army

25 Jan 29, 2018
Reply by Alan Lake

"High court trial on electoral fraud.…"

Joe replied Jul 31, 2014 to Lutfur Rahman - Collected Articles

24 Aug 20, 2014
Reply by Alan Lake

"Actually, I think once the British public learn that within living memory the muslim…"

Joe replied May 31, 2014 to Profiling Muslims

29 May 31, 2014
Reply by Antony

"I wonder if Edward Snowden can join the dots: instead of keeping 95% of the populati…"

Joe replied May 31, 2014 to Profiling Muslims

29 May 31, 2014
Reply by Antony

"As soon as they were looking off the coast of Australia, I said they wouldn't find a…"

Joe replied May 29, 2014 to Profiling Muslims

29 May 31, 2014
Reply by Antony

"The URL to the LibDem website page which contained Clegg's speech seems to be broken…"

Joe replied May 18, 2014 to Obama and Clegg - Both Lied to Claim Islam is a Religion of Peace.

13 Feb 5, 2015
Reply by Joe

"It is with great sadness that I must report that our friend Fiyaz has now had 3 lega…"

Joe replied May 8, 2014 to Fiyaz Mughal

23 Mar 18, 2016
Reply by Kinana

"Malaysia now says that flight MH370 deliberately flew a course to avoid radar detect…"

Joe replied May 2, 2014 to Profiling Muslims

29 May 31, 2014
Reply by Antony

"As I've been saying, Malaysia was lying from day 1.…"

Joe replied Apr 25, 2014 to Profiling Muslims

29 May 31, 2014
Reply by Antony


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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