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I have wanted to track this down for a long time, and finally tonight decided I was not going to stop until I found it.  Amazingly, I could only find it on 2 types of sites: 1) lots of counter-jihad sites, 2) the Times of Pakistan.  No wonder I had trouble trying to track it down through looking at mainstream British news publications.  The details are from a speech given in Westminster, but ignored (or deleted) from British news sites.  I tried to search with an exact, but unusual phrase from the article, and the article could only be found on the above two kinds of site.  Funny that, innit?

The leading muslim Tory, a business partner with someone who spent years recruiting for the islamic Nazi party, Hizb ut Tahrir, was telling muslims in Britain: even though the EDL is inviting you to join them, do not join them.

I suppose she was basing this on the following verses of the koran, telling muslims not to be friends or allies of jews or christians:

  • 9:23 "Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers"
  • 5:51 "do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them"
  • 3:28 "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers"

http://timesofpakistan.pk/international-news/2010-12-02/baroness-wa...

Baroness Warsi cautions Muslim community against far right designs

LONDON: British Conservative Party Chairperson Baroness Sayeeda Warsi has warned the Muslim community to stand guard against the divisive designs of far right British National Party and the English Defence League and thwart their aims. Speaking at a dinner hosted by Lord Altaf Sheikh, Chairman, Conservative Muslim Forum, to celebrate Eid-ul-Azha at Westminster House here last night, she said that the Muslim community not only in the United Kingdom but across Europe face the rising level of anti-Islamic sentiments.This, she added, was evident from the recent elections in many European countries where several parties fielded candidates not on the basis of race or immigration but specifically on the basis of Islam.“And if you look at the far right in this country whether it is the British National Party or English Defence League, they are very clearly targeting the British Muslim community. And what is quite worrying they are now beginning to form small groups of minority groups within the EDL to achieve their objectives of creating divisions within the Muslim community.”

She called on the Muslim leaders to wake up and deal with these issues seriously and must not allow these extreme parties from attaining their nefarious goals. Baroness Warsi praised the contributions of Muslim community and said that the community has achieved much in the British politics. She referred to the last May Parliamentary elections and said the representation of the Muslim community has doubled with the election of first Muslim women Mps and also election of first Conservative Muslim parliamentarians and the increase in the number of Muslim peers in the House of Lords.She praised the work of CMF in campaigning, engaging and focussing and bringing people forward and making sure that the community was involved closely in formulation of policies.British Secretary for International Development Andrew Mitchell endorsed the remarks of Baroness Warsi and said the Conservative government remains opposed to those who seek to make racial and ethnic differences as part and parcel of the British politics. He appreciated the contributions of the British Muslim community in raising funds for Pakistani floods. Mitchell also lauded the work of British charities, especially the Islamic Relief in the flood affected areas.The Secretary said the British Government would continue to set aside 0.7 per cent of its GDP for the international aid.  Saying that he has been to Pakistan four times, Mitchell said the country is recovering from the appalling disaster and that the UK stood by Pakistan at a time of its ‘deep trial’.

He assured the guests that the UK will be there with Pakistan throughout the rebuilding and rehabilitation phase. He said Britain will particularly focus on education and will be there as a development partner in the years ahead.“I am pretty confident that at the end of the bilateral review, we will see Pakistan as our biggest programme anywhere in the world within two years. And that very much reflects the central part of our foreign policy to help less fortunate than us.”Lord Sheikh in his welcome remarks said the increase in the number of Muslim parliamentarians, both in the lower House of Commons and House of Lords, signifies the growing contribution of the community in the British politics. He urged the Muslim community to join the armed forces as well as the police to contribute in the shared values of tolerance and mutual respect for each other. He said Muslims had been successful in every walk of life. The newly appointed peer Tariq Ahmed, British member of European Parliament Dr.Syed Kamall and Rami Ranger, President, India-Pakistan and UK Friendship Association also spoke on the occasion and underscored the importance of community cohesion – App


Note: Warsi describes the BNP and EDL as "extreme" with "nefarious goals".  She is the partner of  a man (Abid Hussain) who used to recruit muslims to join a party whose policies included genocide against gay people. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/9321540/Baron...  A party whose manifesto declared that non-muslims would be 3rd class citizens, a party whose foreign policy meant the extermination of Israel (to be the unofficial policy even when they were supposedly at peace with Israel).  http://4freedoms.com/group/theology/forum/topics/hizb-ut-tahir-s-co...

More on Abid Hussain and Baroness Warsi here: http://www.thecommentator.com/article/1286/lady_warsi_role_model_or...

On a side note, muslims are supposedly 5% of the UK population.  50% of muslim men are unemployed, and 75% of muslim women.  Yet they make up 0.03% of the armed services in Britain.

Tags: EDL, Warsi, apartheid, armed forces

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Abid Hussain has, of course, denied being a member of Hizb ut Tahrir.  Well, some other members of Hizb ut Tahrir have come forward to confirm and prove he was a member of HIzb ut Tahrir for years.


http://www.spittoon.org/archives/11382

Abid Hussain (still taken from the 1995 BBC Documentary on Hizb ut-Tahrir ‘Public Eye’)

This is a cross-post by Raziq (A former member of Hizb ut-Tahrir)

I knew Abid in the 90’s when he was involved with Hizb ut-Tahrir (HT).  Back then he used to attend all of the group’s rallies & events, and was well known in HT circles as being a committed activist.  In the mid-90’s, he also resided at the London School of Shariah in Tottenham for a while.  At the time, the School of Shariah was the hub of all HT activity in the UK. This was when HT was under the leadership of Omar Bakri Mohammad.  His brother Mohammad Nawaz Khan was and still is a senior member of HT.  He was also the former spokesman of HT in Pakistan (where the group is now banned).   Abid is also related to Baroness Warsi’s current husband “Iftikhar Azam”.

Abid has claimed that he was never an official member of HT but ideologically that makes no difference.  HT is not a group that seeks members on mass; it considers itself to be an intellectual party whose goal is to spread the Islamist ideology.  Therefore, one can be an activist with the organisation, study in its inner circles and be more active than the official members and yet not be a fully fledged member.  HT membership entails certain responsibilities that not all activists can commit to (i.e. manning HT stalls on particular days of the week and donating a percentage of their salary to the group).  By stating he wasn’t an official member does not mean that he was any less involved than the official members were.  The whole “not being an official member” thing is actually a bit of a red herring.

From what I remember, Abid was a comical figure who was always attempting to crack jokes.  He used to refer to those Muslims who were not following HT ideas as “Jakes” and the ones who where as “Strappers”.  I never really did understand his bizarre sense of humour!

One thing I am absolutely certain about is that, at the time, he did firmly believe in all the core HT ideas.  It is important to note that there are many HT activists and members who do not believe in every single idea and opinion of the group.  Like many others, Abid may have had some disagreements with HT, however, that does not mean he didn’t believe in their overall aims (e.g. the establishment of an expansionist Islamist Super State/Caliphate).  For a more detailed explanation of how HT membership works, please read this excellent post.

I’m not sure how involved Abid is with HT these days.  However, denying that he was ever involved or that he only attended a few of their events is simply not true.   It would be better if he did the honourable thing and admitted his previous close links to the group.  What is more worrying for me is that he now works as a Third Sector and External Funding Manager for Tower Hamlets Local Authority.   I would be very interested in knowing what organisations he has been funding in this capacity. Do any of them happen to be linked to IFE, ELM or MAB by any chance?

Here is what Peter Tatchell had to say about Hizb ut Tahrir, at the time that Baroness Warsi's "live-in friend" and "business partner" was an active member.

When you read Tatchell's shock and outrage from 18 years ago it is almost touching in its naivete.  The things he describes as being so shocking have been commonplace for 20 years.  So commonplace, that those who were actively part of an islamic-nazi organisation in 1995 are now having tea in Downing Street.

How bad will things be when we look back in 18 years.  People might smile at our naivete, being shocked that supporters of genocide and nazism were having tea in Downing Street.


http://www.petertatchell.net/religion/islamic.htm

Muslim fundamentalists are a growing threat to gay human rights in Britain.

For Muslim extremists in Britain, the growing social acceptance of homosexuality symbolises everything that is wrong with democratic, secular western culture. They seem to hate queers more than the racism and poverty that blights their communities. Despite having experienced much prejudice and discrimination themselves, they show no empathy for those who are victimised because of their sexual orientation.

There is no room for complacency. Islamic fundamentalism is a small but growing religious and political force, particularly since the controversy over Salman Rushdie's allegedly blasphemous book, "The Satanic Verses". The death sentence served on Rushdie by Iranian Islamic leaders emboldened the extremists in this country and swelled their ranks. They turned support for the murder of Rushdie into a litmus test of Muslim faith. Many hitherto tolerant Muslims felt obliged to endorse the call for the author's death. This opened the floodgates for a deluge of Islamic extremism, including a rabid homophobia that mirrors the bigotry of Christian and Jewish fundamentalists.

Although not all Muslims are anti-gay, significant numbers are violently homophobic - often due to the intolerant, inflammatory teachings of Mullahs and Imams.

The Islamic holy book, the Koran - deemed to be the word of God - unequivocally condemns male and female homosexuality as "transgressing beyond bounds". Moreover, the Hadith, the collection of sayings attributed to the prophet Mohammed, calls for the punishment of homosexual acts, but does not state what the penalties should be.

The form of punishment is specified in Islamic law, the Shari'ah. This is the clerical interpretation of the Koran and the Hadith. It demands the death penalty for both lesbian and gay sex.

Few British Muslims urge the execution of queers. But even moderate Islamic leaders denounce the "evil" of homosexuality. Members of the Muslim Parliament want to see gay sex outlawed and homosexuals imprisoned. They have opposed legislation to equalise the age of consent and repeal Section 28.

The supposedly middle-of-the-road Islamicist, Yusuf Islam (the former pop star Cat Stevens), has condemned positive portrayals of homosexuality in school sex education lessons, accusing those who advocate such policies of wanting to "feast off the innocence of our children for their own abominable sexual appetites".

Islamic homophobia in Britain is not limited to the Asian and Arab communities. Louis Farrakkhan's black militant Nation of Islam is establishing a foothold among Afro-Caribbean peoples. It, too, preaches a violent hatred of lesbians and gay men. The voices of tolerant Muslims, of which there are still many, are being increasingly sidelined and silenced.

The political consequences for the lesbian and gay community could be serious. As the fundamentalists gain followers, homophobic Muslim voters may be able to influence the outcome of elections in 20 or more marginal constituencies. Their voting strength could potentially be used to block pro-gay candidates or to pressure electorally vulnerable MPs to vote against gay rights legislation (and other liberal measures).

The most dangerous of the Islamic fundamentalist groups are Hizb ut Tahrir and Al-Muhajiroun. Rejecting democracy and human rights as alien western values, they advocate the violent overthrow of all existing political regimes and the establishment of a world wide Islamic state - a dictatorial global regime based on Koranic principles.

Supporters of both groups deny the Holocaust and stir up hatred against Jews and Hindus. They also incite violence against women who refuse to enter into arranged marriages, disobey their husbands, or who dress in ways that they deem to be immodest.

A 1996 Al-Muhajiroun leaflet entitled, "Homosexuality, Beastiality, Lesbianism, Adultery and Fornication", condemns gay relationships as "perverted acts", comparable to "rape and murder". It says that homosexual relations are "crimes against humanity", which merit "severe punishment". It goes on to boast with approval the Islamic injunction that homosexuals should be put to death.

In its magazine "Khilafa", Hizb ut Tahrir likewise justifies the murder of lesbians and gay men: "The Islamic Verdict on Homosexuality ... If you find anyone doing as Lot's people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done".

When the Church of England Bishops in 1991 proposed relaxing their outright opposition to homosexual relationships between lay people, Hizb ut Tahrir condemned the recommendation as an "obscenity" and accused the Anglican leaders of "priestly perversion".

Hizb ut Tahrir is especially active on college campuses in London and Manchester. Jewish and gay students have suffered harassment and threats. Posters advertising gay society events have been torn down and defaced. At a student meeting in Manchester, speakers from Hizb ut Tahrir denounced the gay community: "Twenty years ago if you were queer ... you weren't allowed anywhere. They'd kick your door down ... Now they adopt kids, they can have a family. This is moral decline".

Some gay students - and lecturers - are so worried about possible assaults by Hizb ut Tahrir supporters that they have ceased to be open about their homosexuality.

Such fears are well founded. A black student at Newham College in London, Ayotunde Obonobi, was stabbed to death in 1995, allegedly by Islamic fundamentalists. A Nigerian friend of Obonobi's said he was concerned about his safety every time he went to college: "There is a hardcore of fundamentalists who are fanatics". Prior to the murder, Muslim militants had been marching around the campus shouting "Allahu Akbar" (God is most great). A Ugandan woman studying at the college said the fundamentalists held meetings where "the superiority of Islam is drummed into students. Many of the Asian boys honestly believe that Muslims will go to Heaven if they kill for Allah".

An edited version of this article was published in Gay Times, October 1995.

Not to worry..she can discuss things with her friend Bonnie Prince Charlie ! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-charles/9929142/Princ...

Warsi speaking at a FOSIS conference.  

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3704/britain-radical-islam

In an example of such conduct, Baroness Sayeeda Warsi, Pakistani-born minister for faith and communities in the Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition headed by Prime Minister David Cameron, spoke in March at a meeting of the Federation of Student Islamic Societies (FOSIS).

FOSIS has been criticized by Cameron's home secretary, Theresa May, for its failure to distance itself from extremist ideology; May has refused to meet with FOSIS leaders. The organization has been similarly censured by Liberal Democrat leader and current deputy prime minister Nick Clegg.

Guest speakers at past FOSIS annual conferences have included Al-Awlaki, as well as other prominent fundamentalists, such as Azzam Tamimi, a Palestinian-British academic aligned with the Muslim Brotherhood.

Baroness Warsi, an advocate of "engagement" with radical Islam, was until last year, a co-chair of the Conservative Party. Nobody believes she supports terrorism, but her approach to the problem betrays, at least, a lack of coherence. One cannot oppose radical Islam by "dialogue" with its exponents. Such an approach reveals at worst, a failure of will and nerve on the part of British authorities. Radical Islam must be confronted openly and defeated categorically.

Her stand in favor of a "conversation" with Islamist zealots is not a new phenomenon in Britain. In 2009 then-Labour home secretary Jacqui Smith unveiled a revised government approach entitled, "Contest" based in four principles: "Prevent, Pursue, Protect, and Prepare."

About 3 years ago, Cameron had to order Warsi not to speak at another conference of muslim extremists.  Does LibLabCon make any attempt to "engage" with EDL, even though EDL does not advocate terrorism or apartheid the way muslims do?  Of course not.

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