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It takes a nation to protect the nation

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"Note that the atheists live among the intolerant, nasty Christians - not among any o…"

Joe replied Jan 26, 2018 to Maps of Leicester - NB Balkanization

1 Jan 26, 2018
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"And consider this: it took MI5 2 years to list the beheading of a soldier in broad d…"

Joe replied May 19, 2015 to MI5's List of British Terrorists Since 2001

9 Aug 6, 2016
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"I have taken a screenshot of the page from before this "update".  A later version of…"

Joe replied May 17, 2015 to MI5's List of British Terrorists Since 2001

9 Aug 6, 2016
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"2 years ago, they stopped updating this list (the total stood at 348 convictions, II…"

Joe replied May 17, 2015 to MI5's List of British Terrorists Since 2001

9 Aug 6, 2016
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"I would have thought it was obvious how much trouble Europe is in.  We have both mai…"

Joe replied May 3, 2015 to How Islam Works

3 May 3, 2015
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"Muslims are 14.4% of prisoners; but less than 5% of UK population. It's a mystery, a…"

Joe replied Mar 11, 2015 to Collected Statistics on Muslims in Prison

6 Mar 11, 2015
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"In an attempt to try and get people to understand the scale of the problem, someone…"

Joe replied Jan 11, 2015 to Pew: Massive support for killing apostates in muslim nations

1 Jan 11, 2015
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"Muslim who shot the 2 cops dead in NY. Here's his FB page.   Note: he speaks Arabic…"

Joe replied Dec 21, 2014 to Muslim Extremists are not a Minority

4 Dec 21, 2014
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"The sheikh who took the hostages at the Lindt cafe had more followers than did the A…"

Joe replied Dec 20, 2014 to Muslim Extremists are not a Minority

4 Dec 21, 2014
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Joe replied May 22, 2014 to Attitudes to Homosexuality: 2 Surveys Contrasting Muslims with Christians

5 May 23, 2014
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Muslim Terrorism Count

Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11

Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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