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There are several interesting counter-points that come out in this case.

The media and the leftist/muslim shills for islam like to say that a) these extremists are not islamic scholars (but Krekar is a mullah), b) that the extremists are isolated (Krekar glorifies the assassin of Theo Van Gogh).  On the one hand the left glorifies the "flat structure" of islam (no priesthood), on the other hand the left will claim that people like Choudary and Krekar are "not leaders" or "not experts" (how could they be higher than any other muslim, when islam has a flat structure?)  The shills for islamisation use the flat structure to suit them.

The parallels between Krekar and Choudary are manifest, despite the fact that one is a Pakistani islamic cuckoo and the other is a Kurdish "refugee".  Both inspire terrorism (see the Wikipedia article following this video transcript).

The main point of Krekar's demonstration and threats below, is that it was against two Kurdish ex-muslims in Norway who burnt a koran.  If that was christians threatening to kill an artist who desecrated a bible or put an icon of jesus in a jar of piss, the leftists would be out there defending the "offender" against the religious rabble.  But of course, in cases like this, the lefitsts are at home nursing their hypocrisy.

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/03/uncomfortable-side-of-fre...


The Uncomfortable Side of Freedom of Speech

Norwegian Muslims held a demonstration in downtown Oslo today. In honor of the occasion, Mullah Krekar gave a speech in which he repeatedly praised the killing of Theo Van Gogh.

Many thanks to Steen for the translation, and to Vlad Tepes for the subtitling:


A translated transcript of the video is at the bottom of this post.

Our Norwegian correspondent The Observer has translated an article about the same event from Dagbladet:

Krekar praised the murder of Theo Van Gogh

Praised the murder of the Dutch filmmaker on several occasions

When Mullah Krekar held his appeal in Kurdish and Arabic in Eidsvold square in Oslo on Friday afternoon. He used the opportunity to repeatedly praise and honor the killing of the controversial Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh, according to NRK’s dagsrevyen (TV news program).

Van Gogh was killed on November 2, 2004 on the streets of Amsterdam by a Muslim fundamentalist, who reacted strongly against Van Gogh’s criticism of Islam in his films. The killer is now serving a life sentence in a prison in the Netherlands.

“It’s the uncomfortable side of freedom of speech. I have always condemned the killing of van Gogh. Krekar made a speech which I hate, but that’s a price I’m willing to accept,” says Aktar Chaudhry, a member of the justice committee in Parliament for the Socialist Left.

On Friday afternoon approximately 100 people showed up at the square in Oslo to demonstrate against a YouTube video that shows a burning Koran.

The video was made by two Kurds living in Norway whom have since received death threats from Krekar, according to Norwegian prosecutors.

Among other things, Mullah Krekar has been indicted for having made death threats against the two Kurds.

“I will not comment on the death threats,” Krekar’s brother Khalid Faraj Ahmad says.

The protesters carried pictures of the Koran and the Koran in flames. Most of the approximately 200 demonstrators were Kurds living in Norway.

The demonstrators marched up Karl Johan’s Gate [main street in Oslo] to the Parliament, where Mullah Krekar made his appeal in Kurdish and Arabic.

“He talked about the act of the burning the Quran, something which has taken place in several countries, and that we don’t accept that someone may use freedom of speech in such a way. The Holy Quran must be respected. To burn the Koran is not freedom of expression, it is an insult,” Mullah Krekar’s brother, says Khalid Faraj Ahmed.

“Krekar came here to show that he is one of the people, and that he can express himself in public,” Ahmed told Dagbladet. After Krekar had given his speech, which ran for about half an hour, he was escorted to a waiting taxi which was surrounded by protesters shouting slogans.

“We are very happy that the demonstration was peaceful. We have cooperated closely with the police and this was an important demonstration,” says Khalid Faraj Ahmad.

Video transcript:

0:00 Central Oslo a bit before 4 pm.
0:03 A handful of Muslims, including women and children, has shown up for a peaceful demonstration.
0:09 But then Mullah Krekar surprisingly appears.
0:22 The demonstration goes on its way towards the parliament, a demonstration against Quran-burnings and offenses against the Quran.
0:27 Krekar awaits the verdict in a trial in which he is accused of threatening the lives of two Norwegian Kurds for burning the Quran and putting the video on internet. [this happened two years ago!]
0:52 Furthermore he mentioned both Guantanamo and the Jyllands-Posten caricatures.
0:56 He is somewhat more soft-spoken than in earlier public statements
1:01 but he praised the killing of the Dutch director Theo van Gogh.
1:25 Krekar earlier stated that he fears for his life when he is out in public
1:35 but today he evidently felt safe.
1:36 His oldest brother [who arranged the demo] explained why he came today:
1:40 It is to show, that he is not locked up, that he can mingle among people,
1:46 and talk to them as everyone else can.


Here's the Wikipedia article on this chump:


 

Mullah Krekar

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Najmuddin Faraj Ahmad
مهلا کرێکار
Nickname Mullah Krekar
Born July 7, 1956
As SulaymaniyahIraq
Allegiance Ansar al-Islam
Years of service 2001-2003
Battles/wars Kurdistan Islamist Conflict
Iraq War

Mullah Krekar (Kurdish:مهلا کرێکار), (born Najmuddin Faraj Ahmad July 7, 1956) is a Kurdish Sunni Islamist islamic scholar[1] who came toNorway as a refugee from northern Iraq in 1991. His wife and four children have Norwegian citizenship, but not Krekar himself. He speaksKurdishArabicPersianNorwegian and English.[citation needed]

Krekar was the original leader of the Islamist armed group Ansar al-Islam, which was set up and commenced operations in Kurdistan while he had refugee status in Norway. Krekar claims, however, not to have had foreknowledge of the various terrorist attacks performed by the group he was leading. Since February 2003 he has an expulsion order against him, which is suspended pending Iraqi government guarantees that he will not face torture or execution. Norway is committed to international treaties which prohibit the expulsion of an individual without such a guarantee.[2]

Authorities in the Kurdistan Regional Government have repeatedly asked for Ahmad ("Krekar") to be extradited from Norway. The death penalty remains on the books in the Kurdistan region. Most death sentences have been changed into life sentences since the Kurdistanian authorities took power in 1992, the exception being that eleven alleged members of Ansar al-Islam were hanged in the regional capital of Arbil in October 2006. He has as of 8 December 2006 been on the UN terror list,[3] and as of 8 November 2007 been judged by the High Court of Norway as a "danger to national security".[4]

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[edit]Views

In November 2009 controversy erupted when Krekar in an interview with the Arab television channel al-Hiwar said he wanted to establish a new Islamic Caliphate, claiming that for Jihadists there is no legitimate state, with the exception of the Taliban-led Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan. For the Islamic "super-state" he wanted Osama bin LadenAl-Qaida-top Ayman al-Zawahiri or Hizb-e Islami-founder Gulbuddin Hekmatyar as leader, and other radical Islamists as leader, citing for instance Gulbuddin Hekmatyar or Ayman Al-Zawahiri as the foreign minister.[5] As a result theProgress Party continued their call for the imprisonment of Krekar,[6] and the Labour Party stated for the first time they would form a new task force which would examine if people officially labeled as "danger to national security" (as Krekar is) could be imprisoned.[7] Azzam Tamimi, a supporter of Hamas, who had done the interview with Krekar, also said that he felt Krekar had been treated badly in Norway.[8]

[edit]Krekar in Norway

[edit]Proceedings against Krekar

In August 2002, while Krekar was in Iraq, the Norwegian government revoked his refugee status on the grounds that he had traveled back to his homeland and spent long periods there.[9]

Krekar was arrested in the Netherlands at Schiphol Airport near Amsterdam in September 2002, after Iran denied him entry and sent him back to Europe. He was interviewed by FBI agents (at Krekar's request, in an attempt to clear his and his group's name); no extradition request was made.[10] He was deported to Norway in January 2003.

In February 2003 the Norwegian government ordered Krekar to be deported to Iraq, but as of July 2009 the order had not been implemented because of the security environment in Iraq, and the risk that Krekar could face the death penalty there, as Norway will not deport people in these circumstances. Krekar has unsuccessfully challenged the expulsion order in court, with the order being confirmed in September 2005. Norway's government has said that the new government to be elected in Iraq in December 2005 might permit discussion on whether Krekar's expulsion order can be implemented.[11]

On March 21, 2003 his arrest was ordered by Økokrim, the Norwegian law enforcement agency for financial crime, to ensure he did not leave the country while accusations that he had financedterrorist attacks using Norway as a base were investigated. Court proceedings against Krekar were however dropped when it proved impossible to prove his connections with the terrorist attacks staged in Iraq by Ansar al-Islam during his leadership. His term as leader ended.

The United States government has declared Ansar al-Islam a terrorist group, but Krekar denies that it was during the time he headed it, and says he no longer does. While Krekar has not been found guilty of anything, a number of his opinions have met little sympathy; he was once recorded claiming that Osama bin Laden is the "jewel in the crown of Islam".[12] and that he was proud of what Abu Musab al-Zarqawi "has done and that he has become a martyr".[13]

In September 2005 the Iraqi Justice Minister Abdel Hussein Shandal said that Krekar was wanted in Iraq and should be tried there.[14]

About the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy, he said to the Norwegian media "This is a declaration of war against of our religion, our faith, and our civilization. We Muslims are ready for this."[15]

Krekar told the Kurdish magazine Awene that he wants to return to Iraq to fight openly against the Iraqi government and the coalition, but that he lacked travel documents from the Norwegian government. He confirmed to a Norwegian newspaper that he had been correctly quoted.[16] The Norwegian minister of labour and migration, Bjarne Håkon Hanssen, responded that Krekar could leave at any time and that he would be given "travel documents within the day. He'll also get money for airline tickets, taxi cab, and the whole deal. If he really wants to go, that is."[17] Krekar is still living in Norway.

On December 7, 2006, the United States Department of the Treasury designated mullah Krekar as one of five individuals providing financial support to terrorist organizations. In a statement he is accused of providing funds for Ansar al-Sunnah, an active Iraqi terror-organization descended from Ansar al-Islam. The press release states that "This designation freezes any assets the designees may have under U.S. jurisdiction and prohibits all financial and commercial transactions by any U.S. person with the designees".[18] Mullah Krekar was later that day added to the United Nations Security Council list of individuals belonging to or associated with the Al-Qaeda organization.[19] All member states of the United Nations are obliged to freeze assets and prevent entry or transit through their territories with regard to the individuals included on the list. Anders Romarheim, a researcher at the Norwegian Institute for Defence Studies, believes that the placement of mullah Krekar on this list is a United States strategy to put pressure on Norway.[20]

On November 8, 2007, the Supreme Court of Norway ruled that Krekar is a threat to Norway's national security, thus upholding the February 2003 decision by the government to deport him to Iraq. It is still unclear when Krekar will be deported due to Iraq's death penalty laws. Some politicians asked for Krekar to be put in jail until he is deported.[21]

On July 12, 2011, terrorism charges were filed against him for a death threat he uttered against ex-minister Erna Solberg during a news conference in June 2010.[22]

[edit]CIA, Pentagon and Navy SEALs

In 2003, agents for the CIA, including Cynthia Dame Logan and Gregory Asherleighs, were sent to Norway.[23][24][25] They arrived directly after the abduction of Hassan Mustafa Osama Nasr fromMilan, Italy. The agents are allegedly wanted within the Schengen area of jurisdiction. A few days before their arrival, Mullah Krekar's lawyer, Brynjar Meling, asked for police protection of Krekar. The Norwegian Intelligence Service admits it had knowledge of the agents' visit to Norway, and Meling confirms he had heard rumours that Krekar was to be kidnapped and transferred toGuantanamo Bay. If the operation was not approved beforehand by Norway it would have been a violation of Norwegian law. Mullah Krekar was not kidnapped. According to an article in Newsweek, a Pentagon official proposed inserting a US Navy SEAL team to engage in a "snatch rope" operation against Krekar; however, the plan was allegedly rejected because a shooting confrontation between the SEALs and Norwegian police would have triggered a diplomatic disaster between Norway and the United States.[26]

However, a week later the Los Angeles Times quoted a high ranking intelligence official who claimed that U.S. special forces were in fact inserted in a European country allied with the United States through NATO, in order to carry out a snatch operation under strikingly similar circumstances to the Krekar case. The revelation led to suspicion that the plan was in fact not cancelled, as the Pentagon had stated. According to the Norwegian newspaper Stavanger Aftenblad, which was the original source of the CIA agents' mission in Oslo, the U.S. special forces, most likely Navy SEALs, had been monitoring a "militant leader" over a period of time, and were in place ready to carry out the snatch. According to the Los Angeles Times, the Pentagon kept the allied country's government in the dark about the mission, which apparently failed or was aborted. [27]

[edit]Offered cash for leaving Norway

In April 2006 businessman Tasawer "Tommy" Sharif offered Krekar NOK 500,000 (approx. US$90,000) if he left Norway, saying that Krekar was "a pest for all Muslims in Norway." Krekar rejected the offer.[28]

[edit]Facebook group collecting donations for the assassination of Mullah Krekar

In November 2007, Norwegian newspapers published the story that a Facebook group had been set up, dedicated to collecting money which would eventually go to an assassin, should one be located. The group statement started with "For the murder of Norway's enemy #1". The 28-year old man who started the group went on to publicize not only his full name, but also a bank account number where money could be deposited. The group had approximately 400 members when Krekar's lawyer deemed the threat "serious" and said he "hoped the police would investigate the people involved".[29] The 28-year old told Norwegian media that the statement was facetious and thus should not be taken literally.

[edit]Popular Culture References

In November 2007, mullah Krekar was the subject of a half hour investigative report by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation's (ABC-TV) international affairs program "Foreign Correspondent". The report titled "Norwegian Jihad" was also the centrepiece of a one hour special report on Norwegian State Television.

"Norwegian Jihad" was also broadcast throughout the Asia Pacific region on ABC-TV's satellite service "Australia Network".[30]

In July, 2009, mullah Krekar was one of the subjects of the NBC's pilot episode of the show "The Wanted",[31] describing him as "responsible for killing hundreds of westerners".[32]

[edit]Assassination attempt

During the night of 24 January 2010, 3 shots were fired through one of the windows of Krekar's apartment in Oslo. The attack was investigated as an assassination attempt. Krekar's son-in-law was mildly injured by one of the bullets.[33] Kurdish groups were cited as possible or likely perpetrators.[34]

[edit]Decision to leave Norway

In early January 2012, Krekar announced in an interview with Iraq's online newspaper Rudaw that he would be leaving Norway and returning to the Kurdistan region soon, saying "My return to the Kurdistan region has become a major political issue." He also predicted that, "My death will cost Norwegian society. If, for example, Erna Solberg (a Norwegian politician) throws me out of the country and I die as a result, she will suffer the same fate." [35]

[edit]Bibliography

  • (Norwegian) (2003[36]). Med egne ord ("In My Own Words"). Autobiography. Oslo: Aschehoug. 246 pp. ISBN 82-03-22968-9. Translated from Arabic.

[edit]References

  1. ^ http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/artikkel.php?artid=148318
  2. ^ [1] Conditions for the return of Mullah Krekar to Iraq remain unchanged, Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affairs
  3. ^ "mullah Krekar oppført på FNs terrorliste", VG
  4. ^ "Høyesterett: Mulla Krekar fare for rikets sikkerhet", NRK
  5. ^ "Krekar vil ha islamsk stat ledet av Osama bin Laden"
  6. ^ "Siv Jensen om Krekar-intervju: - Hårreisende uttalelser", VG
  7. ^ "Krekar kan bli satt bak lås og slå til våren", VG
  8. ^ "Krekar-intervjuer: - Han har blitt behandlet dårlig", VG
  9. ^ mullah Krekar loses refugee status
  10. ^ FBI questions Iraqi Kurd militant
  11. ^ Associated Press Worldstream, 28 October 2005, "Norway's new government says expulsion order for Ansar al-Islam founder stands"
  12. ^ -Osama bin Laden is a good Muslim VG
  13. ^ Krekar honors al-Zarqawi Aftenposten
  14. ^ UPI, September 13, 2005, "UPI Intelligence Watch"
  15. ^ - Now this is war TV 2
  16. ^ -Jeg vil reise hjem Dagbladet
  17. ^ "Hvis Krekar vil til Irak, skal han få reisedokumenter på dagen" Dagbladet
  18. ^ Treasury Designations Target Terrorist Facilitators
  19. ^ Security Council Committee adds two individuals to Al-Qaida section...
  20. ^ Krekar tops US terrorist list Aftenposten
  21. ^ Krekar Can Go Aftenposten
  22. ^ "Norway charges Islamist leader Mullah Krekar over death threats". 2011-07-12.
  23. ^ Jonathan Tisdall (2006-07-24). "Suspect CIA agents were in Norway"Aftenposten. Retrieved 2009-03-07. mirror
  24. ^ KRISTJAN Molstad (2006-07-24). "Miles revealed CIA agents"Aftenposten. Retrieved 2009-03-07. translationmirror
  25. ^ "Norwegian intelligence knew of CIA agents"Aftenposten. 2006-08-01. Retrieved 2009-03-07. translationmirror
  26. ^ Michael Isikoff, Mark Hosenball (2006-12-13). "Hitting the Pocketbook"Newsweek. Retrieved 2009-03-07.
  27. ^ Jan-Petter Helgesen (2006-12-21). "Amerikanske soldater på spionjakt i Norge"Stavanger Aftenblad. Retrieved 2009-07-27.
  28. ^ www.nettavisen.no - Krekar - a plague for Muslims
  29. ^ Taking donations for the assassination of Krekar Aftenposten
  30. ^ "Norwegian Jihad"ABC.
  31. ^ "The Wanted" show page on DirectTV.com
  32. ^ MSNBC - The Wanted
  33. ^ Politiet etterforsker Krekar-angrep som drapsforsøk Aftenposten 2010-01-25.
  34. ^ Akerhaug, Lars (25 January 2010). "- Kurdiske grupper kan stå bak Krekar-angrep".Aftneposten.
  35. ^ Fiery Muslim leader to leave Norway, spacewar.com, 5 January 2012, accessed 6 January 2012
  36. ^ (Krekar wants to come across as Santaclaus — Laughed away the questions during a student debate in Oslo yesterday evening)"- Krekar vil framstå som julenissen — Lo bort spørsmålene under studentdebatt i Oslo i går kveld."

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Svar til denne diskusjonen

What a farce.  It almost makes you wish for Sharia Law, so we could at least dispose quickly of this kind of trash.

I know we believe in recycling in the West, but what's the point in recycling criminals?  The cost of recycling criminals like Krekar is absolutely enormous, and at the end all you have is the same criminal / terrorist, only he is now even more careful, better trained and deadly.  Its time to abandon the recycling model for such treasonous and seditious terror mongers, and instead utilise the landfill model.

Mullah Krekar has been sent to prison for 5 years, for incitement murder (one of the people he wanted murdered had been a government minister).  It looks like his chickens have come home to roost (but don't expect the media to make a big thing about his incitement to murder).

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/mullah-krekar-bunged-in...

How did the Norwegian intelligentsia respond to his incarceration?  They said that it was a sign of a healthy democracy that someone could go round inciting the murder of his opponents!  (Have we gone back to ancient Rome?  Et tu Brutus...)  

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/when-inciting-mass-murd...

Perhaps they would consider having slaves to be a sign of a healthy democracy.  How about the pater familias being able to execute his entire family?

And what happened to the journalists reporting on the incarceration of this terrorist?  They got stoned by muslims.

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/you-deserve-brick-today...

As one of the commenters there says, the journalists obviously didn't phone the police, nor even throw the stones back.

Cultural suicide. It's sad to say, but there seems to be no hope for Norway.

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