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Fightback by Demonstration


Fightback by Demonstration

Documentation of demonstrations and other public protests in defence of the 4 freedoms.

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Latest Activity: Jul 5, 2019

About This Room

Its difficult to find all the relevant material for the various counter-Sharia movements, and some items like Youtube videos, are deliberately 'hidden' by opposing groups using misleading search tags. Hence this room is to collect these records for historical and research purposes, for everyone concerned, including both journalists and activists.

As regards members of 4F, by all means post brief corrections to these reports as comments, but if you wish to start a lengthy discussion, its best to do it elsewhere, like in the UK Room, so that this room can simply act as an objective records repository.

Discussion Forum

EDL Wellington demo - On then Off

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by Kinana Apr 6, 2019. 5 Replies

Tommy Robinson with Pegida, Dresden 16 December 2018

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by Alan Lake Dec 18, 2018. 1 Reply

Tommy Robinson with Pegida, Dresden 21 October 2018

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by C J Bernard Oct 22, 2018. 1 Reply

Justice For Chelsea Demo1 (13 May 2017)

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake May 24, 2017. 3 Replies

EDL Coventry Demo, 21 May 2016

Started by Kinana May 13, 2017. 0 Replies

Tommy Robinson in Dresden Pegida Rally October 2016

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by C J Bernard Oct 16, 2016. 1 Reply

Tommy Robinson in Prague

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by C J Bernard Sep 28, 2016. 1 Reply

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Comment by Antony on May 9, 2018 at 22:13
Comment by Antony on May 8, 2018 at 9:55
Comment by Antony on May 8, 2018 at 9:52
Comment by Kinana on May 7, 2018 at 8:20

Another excellent report from the pen and camera of Esmerelda Weatherwax

Sunday, 6 May 2018
Whitehall Day for Freedom

Comment by Alan Lake on September 6, 2017 at 1:57

Some rubbish spouted in this video, but also some useful info about how the police work.

Comment by Kinana on February 24, 2017 at 8:10

EDL demo tomorrow at Rotherham

Comment by Alan Lake on January 20, 2013 at 8:03

A good explanation of how modern journalism works, using Twitter, Google Maps and Facebook.

Comment by Albert on February 20, 2011 at 3:03
I believe this cartoon explains the Jimmy Carter story to a tee.
Comment by Alan Lake on February 19, 2011 at 5:49
Precisely.  And I can't believe, after crying on the tarmac after his embassy hostage fiasco in Iran, that he still dares show his face and be active in the political sphere, dreaming of 'doing good' but just causing a mess, as usual.  The man has no shame!
Comment by Albert on February 18, 2011 at 22:59

Jimmy Carter says that group dedicated to "eliminating and destroying Western civilization from within" is "not anything to be afraid of"

This is perfectly understandable, given the fact that Carter himself gave four of the best years of his life to the work of eliminating and destroying Western civilization from within: January 20, 1977 to January 20, 1981.

"Carter says Egyptian military likely to obey will of people," by Collin Eaton for the American-Statesman, February 15:

"I think the Muslim Brotherhood is not anything to be afraid of in the upcoming (Egyptian) political situation and the evolution I see as most likely," Carter said. "They will be subsumed in the overwhelming demonstration of desire for freedom and true democracy."

The Muslim Brothers "must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and "sabotaging" its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers so that it is eliminated and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions." -- "An Explanatory Memorandum on the General Strategic Goal for the Bro...," by Mohamed Akram, May 19, 1991.

Carter's problem is one he shares with numerous American analysts: he assumes that the Egyptian people are all Jeffersonians in potencia, just waiting for their chance to establish a pluralistic multiparty democracy guaranteeing equality of rights for all. It never seems to occur to him, or to any of the other analysts who assume this, that what one person may mean by "freedom" may be quite different from what another person means by it. It may be -- indeed, it is likely -- that many Egyptians who speak of "freedom" mean freedom to implement Sharia fully in their society, and "democracy" as the means to that end.


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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