The 4 Freedoms Library

It takes a nation to protect the nation


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This room is for more relaxing interactions between members, which are not part of the threats to secular democracy.  So it could be general info, or interesting news, or new technology, or just something funny.  Or it could be an interesting political or historical topic that is not strictly related to the 4 freedoms, that you want to talk about just for fun and relaxation, without getting into tiring analysis and argument.

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Please follow these guidelines:

  • no talking about politics or Islam, not even a reminder word (like the Arabic word for war)
  • nothing serious, not even a lecture on democracy
  • just keep it fun!

Apart from getting burned out oneself, its important not to 'burn out' one's family or friends.  There are some rows in our movements, both between husband/wife and between parent/child. We all need to "switch off" completely sometimes, so that those near us don't get sick of our political diatribes and anger. At the end of the day, we're all human, so we should enjoy the journey along the way :-)

Discussion Forum

The US Military - Defects and Exploits

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 26, 2022. 2 Replies

Capital Punishment

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Mar 12, 2021. 3 Replies

David Irving: The Manipulation of History

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Nov 7, 2020. 5 Replies


Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Paul Pickford May 21, 2019. 10 Replies

The US National Anthem

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 12, 2018. 5 Replies

The financial case for Brexit

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Apr 30, 2016. 1 Reply

The Universe and God

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Apr 3, 2016. 9 Replies

The collapse of our free world

Started by Herman Van Keer. Last reply by Alan Lake Mar 18, 2016. 1 Reply

Favourite puzzles and equations

Started by Alan Lake Feb 27, 2013. 0 Replies

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Comment by Alan Lake on August 23, 2023 at 15:17

German kindergartens promote 'sexual exploration rooms' where children are encouraged to masturbate and touch each other

Comment by Alan Lake on June 12, 2023 at 2:26
Comment by Alan Lake on June 8, 2023 at 23:54

This website - - has some good ideas.

Comment by Antony on June 3, 2023 at 8:14
Comment by Alan Lake on May 16, 2023 at 21:57

"Megyn Kelly Fires Back at Those Critical of Her Drag Queen Comments, and the Reality of "Grooming""

Comment by Antony on May 14, 2023 at 15:08
Comment by Alan Lake on May 8, 2023 at 1:20
Comment by Alan Lake on April 15, 2023 at 21:46

I actually like Nicki Minaj's music, but I disapprove of some of them. Take this song. It's all about wanting money more than anything else, and that a woman should get money by using her pussy. It's at times like this that I think secular democracy has tied itself in cannibalistic knots with its desire for freedom of expression whilst also hoping to retain its original culture. Of course, only black people are allowed to use some words, and that's not racist discrimination at all!

Comment by Antony on March 29, 2023 at 21:12
Comment by Antony on September 17, 2022 at 9:14

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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