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It takes a nation to protect the nation


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This room is for more relaxing interactions between members, which are not part of the threats to secular democracy.  So it could be general info, or interesting news, or new technology, or just something funny.  Or it could be an interesting political or historical topic that is not strictly related to the 4 freedoms, that you want to talk about just for fun and relaxation, without getting into tiring analysis and argument.

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Please follow these guidelines:

  • no talking about politics or Islam, not even a reminder word (like the Arabic word for war)
  • nothing serious, not even a lecture on democracy
  • just keep it fun!

Apart from getting burned out oneself, its important not to 'burn out' one's family or friends.  There are some rows in our movements, both between husband/wife and between parent/child. We all need to "switch off" completely sometimes, so that those near us don't get sick of our political diatribes and anger. At the end of the day, we're all human, so we should enjoy the journey along the way :-)

Discussion Forum

Capital Punishment

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Mar 12, 2021. 3 Replies

David Irving: The Manipulation of History

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Nov 7, 2020. 5 Replies


Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Paul Pickford May 21, 2019. 10 Replies

The US National Anthem

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 12, 2018. 5 Replies

The financial case for Brexit

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Apr 30, 2016. 1 Reply

The Universe and God

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Apr 3, 2016. 9 Replies

The collapse of our free world

Started by Herman Van Keer. Last reply by Alan Lake Mar 18, 2016. 1 Reply

Favourite puzzles and equations

Started by Alan Lake Feb 27, 2013. 0 Replies

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Comment by Alan Lake on February 13, 2022 at 16:13

Here's an interesting interview with Trump:

I'm pretty amazed that they keep going over the same talking points about "how things should have been done", as if the Left care about cause and effect, let alone what advice and observations Trump has. The conditioning of the American mind is so strong, it will take them many years to realise that they have lost their democracy.

Comment by Antony on February 7, 2022 at 15:53
Comment by Alan Lake on February 4, 2022 at 12:02
Comment by Alan Lake on November 13, 2021 at 23:38

Batya Ungar-Sargon: How Woke Media Abandoned the Working Class and Monetized Outrage

Comment by Alan Lake on November 9, 2021 at 1:56

More cultural enrichment for the UK:

Man attacked neighbour with electric drill causing brain damage

Comment by Antony on November 6, 2021 at 11:10

As it is the Halloween period - Broken Peach - Tainted Love ;

Comment by Alan Lake on November 5, 2021 at 16:14

Hi Kinana, I did find one or two faults in it. His attitude to Britain is typically judgemental, but why would anyone take a lot of care over a job when they are being told "We hate you. Get out of here. We don't want you anymore."?

Also he doesn't appreciate how exhausted and penniless Britain was after WW2 (thanks to the US bleeding us to the last drop).  Yes, it was a sloppy job, but we weren't even in a position to look after our own people properly, never mind anyone elses.

Comment by Kinana on November 4, 2021 at 19:25

Alan, thank you for that video re 20th century India. I have shared it with a few people. I cannot fault it.  I also recommend 'Freedom at Midnight' by Larry Collins. 

Comment by Antony on November 4, 2021 at 8:36

RE the partition of India - this, and other events, as well as the psychology of Pakistani Muslims which the British Establishment (and their "man behind the curtain") would have been well aware of, ie propensity for rape etc must beg the question - Why invite this group of people over here ? - up to 1 million British girls are estimated to have been groomed/raped, I would suggest this has been done in order to shatter British/European societies, many people who are subject to rape/sexual abuse never go on to form relationships, get married and have kids etc - those who perpetrated this crime against the People are truly satanic ... I'd better not say what sort of punishment for their sadistic treachery they deserve !

Comment by Alan Lake on November 4, 2021 at 0:52

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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