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more rape by saudis

Started by Herman Van Keer. Last reply by Antony Jan 20, 2016. 1 Reply

Lashes for 75 year old woman

Started by Herman Van Keer. Last reply by paul collings Oct 13, 2015. 7 Replies

Papio Hamadryas

Started by shiva. Last reply by shiva Sep 21, 2012. 2 Replies

Saudi Arabia goes to the movies

Started by Herman Van Keer. Last reply by Herman Van Keer Jan 2, 2010. 4 Replies

Stewardess 'Banned from Taking Bible on Plane'

Started by OldWarDog. Last reply by Herman Van Keer Dec 19, 2009. 2 Replies

Saudi Intolerance of Infidels

Started by OldWarDog Dec 18, 2009. 0 Replies

Lashes and Jail for dancing

Started by Herman Van Keer. Last reply by Herman Van Keer Dec 16, 2009. 5 Replies

Hypocrisy - Switzerland

Started by Herman Van Keer. Last reply by OldWarDog Dec 15, 2009. 3 Replies

Convert burned alive

Started by Herman Van Keer Dec 15, 2009. 0 Replies

Saudis Lecture Swiss on Tolerance

Started by John Carlson Dec 14, 2009. 0 Replies

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Comment by Alan Lake on June 17, 2021 at 9:28

Link to the movie:  Confessions of an Innocent Man. Check it out now on Prime Video!

Comment by Kinana on June 17, 2021 at 0:47

“Confessions of an Innocent Man”

Amazon Prime, documentary

William Sampson was tortured in Saudi Arabia for a crime he did not commit. When he was eventually brought before the court, with only his signed confessions as evidence…

“I was asked if I wanted to make a statement:

“I refuse to acknowledge this court.

“Deriving as it does its legitimacy from the teachings and precepts of a false prophet and a false god, and deriving as it does its authority from a country and culture that is politically corrupt, socially regressive, morally bankrupt, and genetically degenerate.

“Well the look on the court translator’s face was a complete picture. He didn’t know what to do, really. Although he did seemingly translate it in full version because I did receive some rather angry looks from everyone.” 

Bill Sampson was sentenced to death, [and] told that he was to be publicly beheaded.

“I was blindfolded and handcuffed with my hands behind my back and driven off to what I thought was going to be my execution.”

Comment by Philip Smeeton on March 11, 2020 at 9:08

Just watched a video on the servicing of steam engines. Amazing the precision, complexity and genius that went into designing and building these machines. Had Britain been a Muslim country the British genius and hard headed determination to succeed would have been supressed and the industrial revolution would never have happened. 

Comment by Philip Smeeton on March 11, 2020 at 8:56

A stupid waste. a barbed wire fence and a minefield would do the job. The Saudis should be investing in a future after the oil income dries up, but Islam does not encourage the freedoms necessary for creativity. Countries cannot live by tourism alone. Desalination of seawater, the growing of crops and the developement of solar power is their future in my opinion, and I know they are already doing things like this, but not enough.

Comment by Alan Lake on March 11, 2020 at 0:05
Comment by Philip Smeeton on January 16, 2020 at 15:24

I guess the father will send a hit squad to kill her in Canada. Most women that try this get their heads severed from their bodies. The Muslim concept of being a father cannot be compared to ours, even in the old days in Europe they just threw her out and shunned her, in Islam it is the father's duty to kill his daughter. Family honour owns no honour under Islam. Few Muslims would dare to renounce Islam, the Mohammed bastard made sure of that.
But Like I say I actually hate the socialists and do-gooders more than the Muslims. There is a government crisis in Norway now because the Prime Minister has allowed an ISIS bride and her children back into Norway. The Progress Party is threatening to leave the government coalition. At least they are opposing the insanity. I have heard (on the net) some of these ISIS children openly expressing their intention to harm us.

Comment by Alan Lake on January 15, 2020 at 15:09

I don’t understand this. After all, the leftist geniuses and Muslim women keep telling us how Islam truly respects women. Where is Sinead O’Connor when you need her?  She could talk to this Saudi women and talk her out of fleeing Saudi Arabia.

And its all very well pointing out just one case of a Muslim woman fleeing Saudi Arabia, but what about all the infidel women fleeing oppression and persecution in Western countries and trying to get asylum in Saudi Arabia?


Comment by Philip Smeeton on November 15, 2019 at 18:41

When I was stationed in Libya fifty years ago there was Sharia law, hands and heads hacked off in the public square, and alcohol forbidden. But there were private night clubs in Benghazi with strippers and alcohol serving, full of Arab men.

Comment by Alan Lake on November 14, 2019 at 17:02

Saudi Tourism video.  They put a lot of things in there that simply aren't in Saudi Arabia. Well, trust some dumb kuffar to go there instead of Petra :-)

Comment by Philip Smeeton on November 12, 2019 at 21:52

Saudi has to be on the bucket list for back-packing white feminists.


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Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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