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Saudi Arabia opens to outsiders as it looks to the future

Gulf nation is liberalising and the West needs to alter its outdated perceptions.If anything sums up the mystery of Saudi Arabia, it is the…

Started by OldWarDog

2 Feb 8, 2010
Reply by Kinana

Saudi Arabia goes to the movies Even then, they cannot omit their discriminating beha…

Started by Herman Van Keer

4 Jan 2, 2010
Reply by Herman Van Keer

Stewardess 'Banned from Taking Bible on Plane' An air stewardess is claiming religious discrimination against an airline which she say…

Started by OldWarDog

2 Dec 19, 2009
Reply by Herman Van Keer

Saudi Intolerance of Infidels

An excellent article appeared in this weeks press, written by a female journalist who was allowed into Saudi Arabia, journalist are not giv…

Started by OldWarDog

0 Dec 18, 2009

Lashes and Jail for dancing

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - A Saudi Arabian judge sentenced 20 foreigners to receive lashes and spend several months in prison after convicti…

Started by Herman Van Keer

5 Dec 16, 2009
Reply by Herman Van Keer

Hypocrisy - Switzerland

Started by Herman Van Keer

3 Dec 15, 2009
Reply by OldWarDog

Convert burned alive The sentence could not be appealed: guilty for con…

Started by Herman Van Keer

0 Dec 15, 2009

Christian services at US embassy terminated on Saudi request

Saudi Arabia has essentially no separation between religion and government. Their citizens enjoy little religious freedom. Its constitution…

Started by John Carlson

0 Dec 14, 2009

Saudis Lecture Swiss on Tolerance

Get your barf bags ready... Saudi preaches Switzerland lessons in tolerance Place of no other religion than Islam denounces Switzerland’s…

Started by John Carlson

0 Dec 14, 2009


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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