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A collection of information on Saudi Arabian intolerance and religious apartheid.

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more rape by saudis

Started by Herman Van Keer. Last reply by Antony Jan 20, 2016. 1 Reply

Lashes for 75 year old woman

Started by Herman Van Keer. Last reply by paul collings Oct 13, 2015. 7 Replies

Papio Hamadryas

Started by shiva. Last reply by shiva Sep 21, 2012. 2 Replies

Saudi Arabia goes to the movies

Started by Herman Van Keer. Last reply by Herman Van Keer Jan 2, 2010. 4 Replies

Stewardess 'Banned from Taking Bible on Plane'

Started by OldWarDog. Last reply by Herman Van Keer Dec 19, 2009. 2 Replies

Saudi Intolerance of Infidels

Started by OldWarDog Dec 18, 2009. 0 Replies

Lashes and Jail for dancing

Started by Herman Van Keer. Last reply by Herman Van Keer Dec 16, 2009. 5 Replies

Hypocrisy - Switzerland

Started by Herman Van Keer. Last reply by OldWarDog Dec 15, 2009. 3 Replies

Convert burned alive

Started by Herman Van Keer Dec 15, 2009. 0 Replies

Saudis Lecture Swiss on Tolerance

Started by John Carlson Dec 14, 2009. 0 Replies

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Comment by Alan Lake on November 12, 2019 at 21:47

I wonder if they're going to add that video to the advert they keep showing extolling the wonders of tourism in Saudi Arabia...

I was amazed to read that Nicki Minaj was going to perform there but backed out. I would have thought that her boobs alone were enough to get her banned, LOL.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on November 12, 2019 at 21:30

I doubt that Hollywood can see the connection here. Under Islam all art and entertainment is forbidden.

Basically Islam is read only the Koran until you die, and if you get bored with waiting, take the shortcut and go out and die killing infidels.

Comment by Antony on November 12, 2019 at 20:21
Comment by Alan Lake on June 20, 2019 at 17:54

Yes Philip, Medea Benjamin is the type of Leftist I detest, with her droopy eyelids matching her floppy thinking.  All the adulation of her in the comments makes me puke.

However, in this case, she seems to be on the right side of history, as it doesn't seem to be a good idea to introduce nuclear reactors into the Middle East, even if the step from that to weapons is not straightforward.

Comment by Antony on June 20, 2019 at 6:59

Pompeo keeps Saudis off child soldier recruitment list ;

Comment by Philip Smeeton on May 19, 2019 at 8:47
Medea Benjamin. This "anti-war" activist lost me when she said- "....Wahhab extremism perversion of Islam...". Implying that there is a harmless version of Islam.
If you want to look for an event that will trigger world war 3, then Muslim extremists getting nuclear bombs is it. We are at war with Islam already of course, but the terrorist resources are limited. Given the nuclear option they will use it.
Pakistan has nuclear weapons but is held in check by India. Sooner or later however the extremists will take over Pakistan.

Comment by Antony on May 19, 2019 at 6:33

US helps Saudis get nukes ;

Comment by Antony on April 24, 2019 at 6:20

Saudis conduct mass beheadings - these are our "allies" ;

Comment by Kinana on December 3, 2018 at 15:07

She mentioned one of the most repulsive things: buying and renting the children, especially the orphans, from countries like Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, the Philippines, Djibouti, Somalia, Nigeria, Romania and Bulgaria.

According to Aidan, the ex-wife of the Saudi Prince Al Waleed bin Talal, who was recently arrested in scope of the anti-corruption purges in the country, those who accuse others of corruption and money laundering, are in fact highly corrupted themselves.

Russian online newsportal Fort Russ reports quoting Aden’s interview on Le Monde, the princess said they’ve turned the city of Jeddah into a slave market where underage girls are being exploited for noisy sex parties involving drug and alcohol abuse.

Comment by Alan Lake on August 27, 2018 at 0:59

Execution by beheading: Saudi Arabia seeks 1st death penalty for female political activist


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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