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It takes a nation to protect the nation

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"What about this The Fire of Moscow (1571) occurred in May of that year when the forc…"

shiva replied May 25, 2015 to Fire as a weapon of Terror

10 on Saturday
Reply by Antony

"Alan asked Yo alan, somebody is telling porkies, all the CJM sites that claim that t…"

shiva replied May 17, 2015 to Yarmouk: 1400 Years of IslamicTerror and Deceit (plus a conversion)

9 Mar 21, 2016
Reply by Alan Lake

"While the Kenyan attack was playing out, there was another attack playing out in the…"

shiva replied Sep 30, 2013 to Kenya: Westgate Mall Massacre - Pity the poor Kenyan people

5 Oct 1, 2013
Reply by paul collings

"Yes Joe I have noticed a few other fishwraps highlighting muslims as heros But here…"

shiva replied Sep 29, 2013 to Kenya: Westgate Mall Massacre - Pity the poor Kenyan people

5 Oct 1, 2013
Reply by paul collings

"  In February 2012, he was fighting with the Farouq Brigade, and they tried, and fai…"

shiva replied Jul 6, 2013 to BBC Justifies Jihadi Cannibalism

1 Jul 6, 2013
Reply by shiva

"Dear Oh Dear  This image totally undermines the mantra Islam is a religion of peace…"

shiva replied Oct 8, 2012 to Yemen: AQ Fascists now crucifying their opponents

3 Feb 12, 2013
Reply by Joe

""A Guide to the Perplexed Regarding the Permissibility of Killing Prisoners," which…"

shiva replied Aug 23, 2012 to UK: 16 Guantanamo fascists receive £14m payout

5 Feb 23, 2017
Reply by Alan Lake

"Well, the islamic world, has a very simple solution, so as to maintain their feeling…"

shiva replied Aug 18, 2012 to UK: 16 Guantanamo fascists receive £14m payout

5 Feb 23, 2017
Reply by Alan Lake

"Free Syrian Army soldiers pray at the Bab Al-Salam border crossing to Turkey July 2…"

shiva replied Jul 26, 2012 to It,s That Time of The Year Again

10 Jul 26, 2012
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"Happy Ramadan Sunday, 28 August 2011 Diplomat says Syrian officers among dead in A…"

shiva replied Jul 21, 2012 to It,s That Time of The Year Again

10 Jul 26, 2012
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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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