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Fightback by Theology


Fightback by Theology

For discussion of 4 Freedoms issues in theology - Christian, Islamic, Hindu, Buddhist, etc.

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Key Info

  • A phobia is defined as an irrational fear of something. To fear Islam is not irrational, for the very nature of Islam is irrational - Danny Jeffrey
  • It seems that Western Christians can scarcely contain their indifference to the persecution of the Coptic Christians - Heather Gilbert

Discussion Forum

Maajid Nawaz on Islam vs Islamism?

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Sep 7. 15 Replies

Discussing the Texts of Islam

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Nov 23, 2020. 2 Replies

Robert Spencer on Antifa

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Antony Jul 5, 2019. 2 Replies

Sri Lankan Terror Easter 2019

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana Jun 30, 2019. 4 Replies

Islam: A Culture of Rape

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana Nov 28, 2018. 1 Reply

Ahmadiyya Muslims

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 23, 2018. 6 Replies

Collective Punishment

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Feb 10, 2018. 1 Reply

Apartheid in Life and in Death

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana Mar 15, 2017. 2 Replies

Quran 9.5: qualified or not?

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Kinana Jun 12, 2016. 24 Replies

The Sunni Theory of Government

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Feb 8, 2016. 5 Replies

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Comment by Antony on September 8, 2021 at 11:22

Archbishop Vignano - Inherent Evil of Inclusivity ;

Comment by Philip Smeeton on June 19, 2021 at 8:46

Right Alan. There is always someone jabbing their finger in your side. One bunch of chimps disputing territory with another bunch of chimps. Doubt if that will ever change. 

Trying to enjoy life though in spite of it all.

Comment by Alan Lake on June 17, 2021 at 9:34
I still think though that most people just want to get on with their lives and be left alone.
True, but unfortunately, "You may not be interested in politics (Marxism/Wokism/Islamism), but politics is interested in you".
Comment by Philip Smeeton on June 17, 2021 at 7:32

Saudi is total insanity Kinana. What a brave man Sampson is, after torture and the certainty of a horrible death, he tells the truth plain and simple.

Humans can be nasty and ideologies give them the excuse and opportunity to be sadistic. Humans  believe that what they believe is the one true faith: Be it; woke, marxism, christianity, islam etc. Islam is particularly disgusting but I've seen the woke fanatics in action and they are nasty little individuals. Self-righteous of course.

I still think though that most people just want to get on with their lives and be left alone.

Comment by Kinana on June 17, 2021 at 0:48

“Confessions of an Innocent Man”

Amazon Prime, documentary

William Sampson was tortured in Saudi Arabia for a crime he did not commit. When he was eventually brought before the court, with only his signed confessions as evidence…

“I was asked if I wanted to make a statement:

“I refuse to acknowledge this court.

“Deriving as it does its legitimacy from the teachings and precepts of a false prophet and a false god, and deriving as it does its authority from a country and culture that is politically corrupt, socially regressive, morally bankrupt, and genetically degenerate.

“Well the look on the court translator’s face was a complete picture. He didn’t know what to do, really. Although he did seemingly translate it in full version because I did receive some rather angry looks from everyone.” 

Bill Sampson was sentenced to death, [and] told that he was to be publicly beheaded.

“I was blindfolded and handcuffed with my hands behind my back and driven off to what I thought was going to be my execution.”

Comment by Antony on May 25, 2021 at 9:58
Comment by Antony on May 22, 2021 at 21:25
Comment by Philip Smeeton on March 24, 2021 at 12:00

I admire his courage and knowledge.

Comment by Alan Lake on March 24, 2021 at 9:22

It's still great fun to see Jay Smith demolish the hapless Mansur :-)

Comment by Philip Smeeton on March 23, 2021 at 21:51

Well the Bible is bits and pieces and edited and parts discarded, so I guess the muslims have done something similar with the Quran. I think we should just look at how infantile and stupid these texts are and that only an idiot would believe any of it, or regard it as wisdom or use it as a guide to how we should live.

Unfortunately well formulated nonsense has a power of its own especially when backed up with spiritual and physical threats. They're just books. words once spoken and then written down. Problem is the Quran especially encourages the evil, nasty and murderous side of human nature. How gleefullu they murder and maim in its name. It's all ignorance and superstition pretending to be virtue and wisdom. But like every dark side of humanity such things are not going away any time soon. That's what the liberal goody goodies don't get-  sooner or later someone in some guise will come for them and they will be defenceless.

The pain promised in these books will be their reality.
Horrific things have happened to people around the world this very day and will happen tomorrow too. Law and order and a strong defence is our only salvation not myths and fairytales.


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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