The 4 Freedoms Library

It takes a nation to protect the nation

Fightback by Theology


Fightback by Theology

For discussion of 4 Freedoms issues in theology - Christian, Islamic, Hindu, Buddhist, etc.

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Location: Kinana
Members: 52
Latest Activity: Feb 20

Key Info

  • A phobia is defined as an irrational fear of something. To fear Islam is not irrational, for the very nature of Islam is irrational - Danny Jeffrey
  • It seems that Western Christians can scarcely contain their indifference to the persecution of the Coptic Christians - Heather Gilbert

Discussion Forum

Maajid Nawaz on Islam vs Islamism?

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Sep 7, 2021. 15 Replies

Discussing the Texts of Islam

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Nov 23, 2020. 2 Replies

Robert Spencer on Antifa

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Antony Jul 5, 2019. 2 Replies

Sri Lankan Terror Easter 2019

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana Jun 30, 2019. 4 Replies

Islam: A Culture of Rape

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana Nov 28, 2018. 1 Reply

Ahmadiyya Muslims

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Alan Lake Oct 23, 2018. 6 Replies

Collective Punishment

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Feb 10, 2018. 1 Reply

Apartheid in Life and in Death

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Kinana Mar 15, 2017. 2 Replies

Quran 9.5: qualified or not?

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Kinana Jun 12, 2016. 24 Replies

The Sunni Theory of Government

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Feb 8, 2016. 5 Replies

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Comment by Antony on February 20, 2022 at 17:08

Chris Langan est IQ 195/210 - intelligence, God, Ultimate Reality ;

Comment by Antony on January 19, 2022 at 18:52
Comment by Alan Lake on November 20, 2021 at 1:03

Sorry, but I went to watch their Youtube videos but gave up after an intro track with awful loud music went on forever. For TED talks they say that if you haven't captured the audience's attention in the first 20 seconds, you are lost. Those videos just spend the first 30 seconds wasting your time. It's a shame because some of the articles are good.

Comment by Kinana on November 19, 2021 at 17:50

I am pleased to have just discovered a website which does not shy away from the true nature of Islam.

One of their podcasts here states the uncomfortable truth to modern ears that 'The Crusades were Necessary'

The CEO of this Site / Project speaks on these podcasts but also here:

Comment by Philip Smeeton on November 7, 2021 at 8:52

I cannot post on voxday, but if I could I would have posted what I have written here. I do not suffer fools gladly.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on November 7, 2021 at 8:50

The Evidence of Evil.
This is pure jibberish and nonsense to me and clear evidence that all conspiracy theories are stupid and based on ignorance and imaginations gone wild.
Fact- demons do not exist.
and a conspiracy is impossible to maintain over long periods of time and through generations. (Prejudice and heritage are a different case).
I live with a conspiracy idiot that genuinely believes That bill gates and co want to kill billions of people and enslave those that are left so that some mystical elite can rule and control. And that the covid 19 vaccine injects microbots into the system that enable mindcontrol.
She also believes that god the devil angels and demons exist. For all of which there is not and cannot be any evidence.
All of this religious and conspiracy nonsense exists only in the feeble minds of the idiots that believe in the stuff.
(Is that a fact?- is the most vital question you can ask. And-can you prove what you are saying is true?).
It is all pure speculation. Real conspiracies exist only on a limited scale and for a limited amount of time.
They seize upon and misinterpret every political scientific or natural event and refer to all sorts of prophecies to refer back to and confirm an already erroneous belief. Such as: the end of days.
Basically wrong and illogical thinking.
Evil is nothing more tha human behaviour.

Comment by Alan Lake on November 5, 2021 at 16:01

Voxday - very thought provoking.

Comment by Antony on November 5, 2021 at 11:37
Comment by Antony on October 28, 2021 at 11:00
Comment by Antony on September 8, 2021 at 11:22

Archbishop Vignano - Inherent Evil of Inclusivity ;


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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