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Kuffarphobia in UK


Kuffarphobia in UK

For all those who are fighting to protect the 4 Freedoms in the UK

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English Defence League   (NB the authority for EDL statements is their website, not 4F)

Stop Islamisation Of Europe (SIOE) which is also on facebook

  • We emerge from the social fog of multiculturalism to see a landscape totally unrecognisable and more dangerous, like coming out of a bomb shelter and seeing the debris - Kinana
  • Unhealthy immigration happens - and they do nothing; integration fails - and they invent multiculturalism; multiculturalism breeds ethnic conflict - and they waste billions patching up a society that's falling apart. They never get to the root of the matter - Philip Smeeton
  • Always attributing incompetence to malice leads to paranoia.  Never attributing incompetence to malice leads to gullibility -Joe

Discussion Forum

Why The UK Will Collapse

Started by Joe. Last reply by Antony Dec 20, 2022. 488 Replies

Racist Attacks on White People

Started by Joe. Last reply by Kinana Jun 26, 2022. 116 Replies

prevent strategy

Started by paul collings. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Jun 23, 2022. 22 Replies

Patriotic Alternative

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Apr 30, 2022. 4 Replies

UK Police submitting to mob rule

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jan 14, 2022. 6 Replies

Victor Davis Hanson: collected articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Kinana Dec 30, 2021. 24 Replies

Britain First

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Nov 21, 2021. 6 Replies

The Persecution of Tommy Robinson

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Joe Mar 8, 2021. 185 Replies

Gold Wars

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Jun 11, 2020. 5 Replies

We Stand with the Victims

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by paul collings Mar 19, 2020. 1 Reply

The Police Will Not Protect You

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Mar 11, 2020. 2 Replies

Islam and Firefighters

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Alan Lake Feb 26, 2020. 24 Replies

Why have the white British left London?

Started by Joe. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Feb 5, 2020. 49 Replies

Brexit and Islam

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 11, 2019. 12 Replies

Hate not Hope: the Pushback Begins

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Kinana Mar 22, 2019. 5 Replies

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Comment by Joe on February 3, 2020 at 13:15

This report confirms the new hospitals are prisons with beds.  And shows a pilot in a hazmat suit in his cockpit.

The story that sick people have to walk to hospital only to be turned away is sad.  And the idea that infected people can't even keep down water.

Remember, it was less than a week when the UK government (greatest intelligence service in the world) said: "just self-isolate if you feel unwell".

Comment by Joe on February 3, 2020 at 13:06

For the last 30 years (when I've had boyfriends from a dozen different countries) I've been amazed at the extreme difference in hygiene, and the biggest difference is that the behaviours are cultural.  For instance, Brazilians and Thais see things as dirty which the British would not perceive as dirty.  My experience of those cultures gave me a higher awareness of hygiene (with the result that I routinely wash my hands about 20 to 40 times a day, and I am very careful about how I open the door to leave a public toilet, something I learned from a Turk).  I regard Spain and the Spanish as toxic.  I would not eat food in Spain that I had not prepared myself (I've seen so many friends come down with serious food poisoning in Spain on dozens of trips to Spain, myself included).

Multiple sources suggest that this virus infection in China is at the very least spread from taking in nasal droplets or faeces from an infected source.  This suggests that the carriers are highly infectious.  But it gets worse. One of the Germans who got infected from a Chinese colleague went back to work when he was feeling well. On subsequent testing it turned out that his nasal fluids contained vast amounts of the virus (not yet clear if it could be caught from this man's fluids).  Potentially that means post-symptomatic infectiousness.  This could be really really serious.

Moreover, look at what even the official CCP sources are saying: it took 4 different tests before one symptomatic man could be confirmed as being infected.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on February 3, 2020 at 12:54

That's one thing coming out of this Heather, the Chinese lack of conscience and unwillingness to behave responsibly.
The first rule is wash your hands thoroughly when you get home. I am stocking in food basics like rice and crushed oats(porridge). pasteurised orange juice, cod liver oil, spaghetti. tinned and dried food of course and water. Everything you normally use that is not fresh or frozen, just in larger quantities. Don't forget the soap and toilet rolls etc. Just assume everything will stop, be glad if it doesn't. It can all be used later if the crisis abates.
The Chinese use human excrement to fertilize their fields. This is extremely unwise when growing food for human consumption.

Comment by Joe on February 3, 2020 at 12:28

BTW one of the France24 videos I saw today had an interview with a doctor from a disease policy institute in USA.  He was saying days ago that scientists in China were telling their colleagues outside of China that what is going on there is far more serious than the CCP was admitting.

This tells us why US has banned entry to all those who visited China in the last 14 days.

It is only by bypassing the controlled sources of information that the truth is emerging. 

Comment by Joe on February 3, 2020 at 12:18

BTW having HIV proteins in this Coronavirus does not necessarily mean that it was engineered to have them (but it's quite a coincidence that this outbreak starts near their top lab for dangerous viruses, where they were doing research on bat viruses).

All the disputes about the nature of HIV/AIDS were suppressed decades ago (suffice to say that I don't believe that Africa's HIV problem is really a HIV problem - the tests for HIV produce far more positive results for black people than any other race, and this was known to be true decades ago when they did a mass screening of soldiers in the US).

The "test for HIV" is so vague that there are something like 100 different medical conditions which produce "a positive test result" (e.g. pregnancy can produce a positive result).  The entire debate was shut down and the "message" simplified to bring certainty to the public.

Assuming the HIV theory is correct (something about which I have had doubts since the 1980s), then the Coronovirus could have picked up those proteins from someone who would test HIV positive. 

You all know from "global warming" how corrupt the science industry is.  In the case of HIV the "scientist" credited with identifying HIV was already a known fraudster in his earlier "scientific" work.
The evil people in our society know that once they can claim "a scientific debate has been settled" then the cowardliness of most salaried people will mean that dissent in that subject will be suppressed for at least a generation.

Anyone heard of Semmelweis?  His scientific peers had him imprisoned in a lunatic asylum for his book claiming that doctors washing their hands could prevent the spread of disease.  He died within weeks of his commitment to the lunatic asylum.  That was just 150 years ago and science is just as corrupt now as it was then. 

Comment by Joe on February 3, 2020 at 12:01

I saw another video of the pre-fab rooms in the "miraculous" hospitals being built so speedily in Wuhan. The rooms clearly have bars on the windows.  They are effectively individual cells.

I've seen a video where a Chinese woman is so determined not to be taken into an ambulance (and presumably hosptialized/quarantined) that in the struggle not to go she smashes her own head open on the tarmac.  It seems logical that in this crisis you don't send out an ambulance crew and police to force a woman into an ambulance unless you believe she's a carrier.  AFP reported their shock that when a man just collapsed in the street multiple ambulances drove past him and didn't stop to pick him up (someone unconscious/dead on the pavement isn't much of a risk as a carrier, therefore no urgency to get him off the street).  Other videos show dead bodies being removed from apartments - the body is in a body-bag but the people taking it away are in hazmat suits (same as the people who eventually came to take away that dead man).  Very clear that in China people see getting close to a dead body is still getting close to an infective source.

This fits with the instructions that the dead are to be cremated near the site of death and with no funeral. The crematoria are running 24x7 already, and this disease is not expected to peak in Wuhan until the end of April.  I don't know what to make of the report that the new hospital is called "fire-god mountain".

Western "journalists" have given China a free pass for its tyranny for decades. They show no signs of becoming critical during this pandemic.

Comment by Joe on February 3, 2020 at 11:38

I saw today that 4 to 5 days ago France24 news was having far more honest discussions about this (with experts).  When I was in France a few months ago I noticed the total absence from their TV output of the political correctness that infects the British media.  I hypothesize that this will lead France to have more honest news about coronavirus.

On one of these programmes the expert said that SARS could last for 7 days on a surface.  That's shocking.  So far I have seen no official statement concerning how long this new virus can last on a surface.  This is basic science.  They've known about this virus for at least a month.  They have their top laboratory in Wuhan.  So how come there's no statement about how long it can survive outside the body?  It could be that it has even longer longevity than SARS (i.e. in their tests it has not yet died on surfaces).

Also the scientists who said that the spikes of the virus have HIV proteins have been forced to retract their paper.  That suggests to me that they are right and that since this cannot be refuted, the elite have decided that suppressing the truth is the best idea. If those scientists were wrong they could have been refuted (and shamed).  Instead the evidence and argument has just been deleted. Not a good sign.

Britain's TV output seems to be the most suppressive/brainwashing of any output I've seen.  Even Al Jazeer seems more open.

Comment by Heather Gilbert on February 3, 2020 at 11:05

What a joke. People from Wuhan who escaped to the UK should self isolate?  5 million people escaped from Wuhan being fully aware that there was a deadly virus sweeping the city. Hardly the type of people who are suddenly going to develop a conscience.  The bus drivers who ferried passengers to be quarantined are told to self isolate. No doubt the grandchildren and neighbours will all be popping in to keep him company!  I could hardly believe my eyes when the passengers stepping off the said plane were met by airline staff who were shaking their hands.  

Joe, I also watched a lot of the videos of people keeling over and dying. Did you happen to notice that most of them are not old? 

Why are the newspapers still pushing the lies that this novo coronavirus originated from a wet market, and not from a level 4 laboratory just over 8 miles away from the market, and just so happens to be studying coronavirus and bats? Since when did the coronavirus in bats suddenly develop several strains of HIV helping the virus to transmit to humans faster?  Very little mention of Chinese virologists stealing from Canadian viral labs either, or the considerable sums of money the USA has given to this level 4 Chinese laboratory. Why? What does American stand to gain from investing in potential bio-weapons? (no need to answer that). 

Now there is an outbreak of avian flu-a particularly virulent strain from what I've read. Thousands of chickens being slaughtered. What is the impact of this going to be on the people who have no food in their supermarkets?  

Meanwhile, the corrupt WHO is blowing smoke up the arse of the CCP for their wonderful organisational skills.  

I have a horrible feeling that with the way this is being handled and blatantly lied about, is going to lead to a pandemic + a largely untested vaccine that will be made compulsory, altering our DNA forever.

Meanwhile, the bodies burn at the cemeteries. Funerals are cancelled. There are not enough tests being delivered to hospitals to diagnose coronavirus. How convenient. How are people going to get to hospital when there is such a crack down on transport anyway? 

Seems that lab reports are revealing that coronavirus lives on in faeces. It can also live for 18 hours on hard surfaces, though less in warmer temperatures.

They can laugh all they like. I'm stocking up on food and water.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on February 2, 2020 at 21:06

It is only by becoming radically racist that we can save our white nations. We have to seal our borders and deport all aliens.

I really hate those leftists and their friends.

Take this virus threat seriously and do everything that you can to keep those you care for safe.

The way that people treat animals indicates how they would treat human beings given a chance. Can you imagine having one of these Chinese food markets in England!

Comment by Antony on February 2, 2020 at 19:38

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