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Kuffarphobia in UK

For all those who are fighting to protect the 4 Freedoms in the UK

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English Defence League   (NB the authority for EDL statements is their website, not 4F)

Stop Islamisation Of Europe (SIOE) which is also on facebook

  • We emerge from the social fog of multiculturalism to see a landscape totally unrecognisable and more dangerous, like coming out of a bomb shelter and seeing the debris - Kinana
  • Unhealthy immigration happens - and they do nothing; integration fails - and they invent multiculturalism; multiculturalism breeds ethnic conflict - and they waste billions patching up a society that's falling apart. They never get to the root of the matter - Philip Smeeton
  • Always attributing incompetence to malice leads to paranoia.  Never attributing incompetence to malice leads to gullibility -Joe

Discussion Forum

Why The UK Will Collapse

Started by Joe. Last reply by Antony Dec 20, 2022. 488 Replies

Racist Attacks on White People

Started by Joe. Last reply by Kinana Jun 26, 2022. 116 Replies

prevent strategy

Started by paul collings. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Jun 23, 2022. 22 Replies

Patriotic Alternative

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Apr 30, 2022. 4 Replies

UK Police submitting to mob rule

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jan 14, 2022. 6 Replies

Victor Davis Hanson: collected articles

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Kinana Dec 30, 2021. 24 Replies

Britain First

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Nov 21, 2021. 6 Replies

The Persecution of Tommy Robinson

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Joe Mar 8, 2021. 185 Replies

Gold Wars

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Jun 11, 2020. 5 Replies

We Stand with the Victims

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by paul collings Mar 19, 2020. 1 Reply

The Police Will Not Protect You

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Mar 11, 2020. 2 Replies

Islam and Firefighters

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Alan Lake Feb 26, 2020. 24 Replies

Why have the white British left London?

Started by Joe. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Feb 5, 2020. 49 Replies

Brexit and Islam

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 11, 2019. 12 Replies

Hate not Hope: the Pushback Begins

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Kinana Mar 22, 2019. 5 Replies

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Comment by paul collings on February 24, 2020 at 15:09

The markets are starting to react. Stock's down, gold up. 

I'm sure all the Tree huggers and Tapioca eaters are living it. People are refusing to fly. Summer holiday bookings are falling. 

This  virus will cause a lot of trouble until a vaccine is found. As this could be a year away, and as Heather says the chance the virus will mutate could push a vaccine further away, the trouble will be far reaching. 

Production of most of the products that drive world economy ould be halted. This will force a bit more quantitive easing. Can the world afford more of this free money.

Were only a few weeks into this crisis, and if a pandemic is declared by the Who, then we're gonna need lots of free money. Or do as the anti capitalist mob want. Just give it up. Things will surely get better all on there own. 

Comment by Heather Gilbert on February 24, 2020 at 12:36

This is a bit worrying:  

A virus will always mutate. Its what they do, because the RNA replication process is error prone. A problem we face is that as the number of infected increase, the number of mutation opportunities likewise increase. Some of those will result in worse transmission characteristics and that virus variant will fizzle out, but some might do the exact opposite and the virus with that mutation will thrive. Last time I spotted a comment on this (and I can't now find the link) I was seeing the number of variants in low 20's. I'm guessing with 80K plus infected, the variant count will be substantially higher.

Virus behaviour is a bit like a search engine in this regard. The more chances it has, the more likely it is that it will stumble onto a real improvement... from its point of view.

Comment by Joe on February 24, 2020 at 0:50

This Gab group has ended up being the best source of information/discussion.  Stuff on Reddit gets deleted, and on Twitter.

Comment by paul collings on February 23, 2020 at 18:56

So far, 4 of the patients brought back from Japan have now tested positive. That means more will have it because of the way air is circulated on planes.

The people with the virus would have had it before they left for the UK, yet it was undetected. 

It's a ticking time bomb. The world economy is so fragile I'm sure the leaders are making a concerted effort to ignore this out break.

Just a thought. If China contains this outbreak. And I'm sure they don't care how many of their citizens die. Then it could be China will be left in a very powerful position. They produce most of the world's pharmaceuticals. Nevermind everything else the world needs. 

Comment by Philip Smeeton on February 23, 2020 at 16:19

Thanks Joe. Iran has got corona and canada is expected to. Like you say we just have to expect it to come to where we live. Good luck to you all. Fill bottles with water and be sure to obtain a means to boil water if the power fails, and get in some tasty food as well as the staples. Being isolated can be very boring so get in books and things to occupy yourself with. Finding a place where you can go for fresh air walks without meeting people is also necessary. Fortunately I live out of town and as I have said have lots of firewood. It does not look like it is going to spare anyone this virus.

Comment by Joe on February 23, 2020 at 15:31

One must expect the UK to handle this far more incompetently than China.  Our NHS staff will stop turning up for work if they feel they are at risk. 

Many of those who even use the word "coronavirus" on a YouTube video are being demonetized i.e. the corporate fascists ONLY want the official line to be heard. 

Comment by Joe on February 23, 2020 at 15:28

I've been away elsewhere doing a lot of work on the virus outbreak (and also was physically away visitng family).  Was also helping Tommy with information for his upcoming talks in Russia, Germany, Norway, etc.

Coronavirus is as bad as I was saying weeks ago. Italy and Korea are now in states of emergency.  Korea can't work out how their "super spreader" got infected.  In Italy a 38yo man in critical condition now had dinner 3 weeks earlier with a friend who came back from China.

UK has gone from "kiosks" at every hospital (a stupid idea) to "stay away and a doctor will visit and test you" (a better idea but probably won't result in a test).

20% who get this need ICU.  Of those who get ICU as many as 50% will still die.  Of those who don't get ICU --- there's no data for their death rate.

UK has 6 ICU beds per 100,000 people.  Germany has 30.  UK has got fewer ICU beds than Slovakia.

There's every reason to believe this is now circulating in Paris, London, etc.  Whether or not there are cases in ICU yet we don't know (maybe they have a D-Notice in the UK). 

Weeks ago they said that London was the No.1 European city that will suffer an outbreak.  Yet we hear nothing (I have seen video of someone being taken into hospital by staff in hazmat suits -- reputedly Ealing Hospital).

Stock up with stuff so you don't have to leave the house for 30 to 60 days (yes, that's what the best non-establishment authority is saying about this - the guys predictions have been proven right since Jan 24th).  At some point we are likely to need to not go out.

Once this thing has taken root in a handful of countries there's no way to stop everyone getting it.  You need to start looking at how you can help your body fight it, especially if you are over 50.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on February 23, 2020 at 13:53
Diane Abbott to STAND DOWN: Shadow Home Secretary says she won't be in next Labour Cabinet.
One less harmful idiot to deal with. But people like her never resign from power. She's hoping the next leader will need her.
“We have to stand by our principles and stand by our values and make sure we have an immigration policy which is fair and workable.” LOL. Fair to who?
Abbott just confirms my theory that stupid people are too stupid to understand that they are stupid. I think they learn by heart phrases that give an illusion of meaning and then reiterate them endlessly.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on February 23, 2020 at 8:12

-("as" mayors in our cities. Not "some") "as" translates to "som" in Norwegian and I get confused now and then. Som deg= as you.

Comment by Philip Smeeton on February 23, 2020 at 8:03

Good song Tony. We are stupiding ourselves to death. The song "In the year 2525" also says a lot. I do not lose faith though, I am determined to enjoy life in spite of it all. And given the legal chance I would kill the bastards that are offending me.
They cannot tolerate or admit the debt that they owe us Alan these third rate human beings. If they did they would have to admit that white people were OK but then they would have to admire us and that is intolerable to them. And so they retreat into the fantasy that they themselves are somehow superior. Problem is there is no evidence to support the claim. I could name off hand at least a dozen British geniuses that achieved extraordinary things. Add to that the rest of Europe's genius. Nothing compares to it. I admire certain cultures past and present but nothing compares to what we have achieved, and continue to achieve.
There is nothing wrong with you Tony, you are a normal Englishman as I am, it is the insanity on the streets of Britain that is wrong. That is completely and utterly loony, just the way the police behave or who we have installed some mayors in our cities= total insanity. You have to live a good life in spite of it all and take care of yourself. I am very angry about it all and do what I can in my little way to spread sanity.


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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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