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Kuffarphobia in UK


Kuffarphobia in UK

For all those who are fighting to protect the 4 Freedoms in the UK

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Key Info

Useful Websites

English Defence League   (NB the authority for EDL statements is their website, not 4F)

Stop Islamisation Of Europe (SIOE) which is also on facebook

  • We emerge from the social fog of multiculturalism to see a landscape totally unrecognisable and more dangerous, like coming out of a bomb shelter and seeing the debris - Kinana
  • Unhealthy immigration happens - and they do nothing; integration fails - and they invent multiculturalism; multiculturalism breeds ethnic conflict - and they waste billions patching up a society that's falling apart. They never get to the root of the matter - Philip Smeeton
  • Always attributing incompetence to malice leads to paranoia.  Never attributing incompetence to malice leads to gullibility -Joe

Discussion Forum

Britain First

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Jun 2. 4 Replies

UK Police submitting to mob rule

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake May 28. 4 Replies

Patriotic Alternative

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake May 28. 3 Replies

Why The UK Will Collapse

Started by Joe. Last reply by Antony Oct 16, 2020. 475 Replies

Gold Wars

Started by Joe. Last reply by Alan Lake Jun 11, 2020. 5 Replies

We Stand with the Victims

Started by C J Bernard. Last reply by paul collings Mar 19, 2020. 1 Reply

The Police Will Not Protect You

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Mar 11, 2020. 2 Replies

Islam and Firefighters

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Alan Lake Feb 26, 2020. 24 Replies

Why have the white British left London?

Started by Joe. Last reply by Philip Smeeton Feb 5, 2020. 49 Replies

Brexit and Islam

Started by Kinana. Last reply by Alan Lake Sep 11, 2019. 12 Replies

Hate not Hope: the Pushback Begins

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Kinana Mar 22, 2019. 5 Replies

UK Police: Political Bias & Corruption

Started by Alan Lake. Last reply by Alan Lake Mar 18, 2019. 3 Replies

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Comment by Netcon on October 12, 2009 at 17:07
Great! we have linked websites. Now all the UAF fascists and Hate-not-Hope racists will really get worried :-)
Comment by Trevor Kelway on October 12, 2009 at 16:53
Sorry, i uploaded it earlier. I was going to make everyone on here aware.
Comment by Kinana on October 12, 2009 at 16:51
from edl website

EDL on BBC2 tonight (12th Oct 2009) 22:30. An hour long documentary.
Comment by Netcon on October 12, 2009 at 16:05
I've sent you a message in the mail here. If you look on the top right corner of any page you'll find your inbox. thanks.
Comment by Netcon on October 12, 2009 at 15:52
Can anybody here take on the role of Press Admin? (as opposed to Press Spokesman, which we also need but is a lot harder).

So the Press Admin person would collect articles from the press (online) and post the copies with links here. Its good to copy and paste the actual text because:
(a) it could be aged out by the newspaper
(b) if people click on a link and leave this site, they may get distracted or lost and not come back.
Comment by Netcon on October 12, 2009 at 15:49
Well, the Mission Statement in the top left corner of the homepage is the result of many hours labour of this. then if you click on its link, you get an expanded version. That expanded version can have something about nazi salutes added if you like.
Comment by Scottish Lionheart on October 12, 2009 at 15:29
Perhaps there needs to be some sort of official membership so that we can determine true members as we dont condone Nazi salutes and we must make sure that we dont get infiltrated by UAF and the likes?
Comment by Netcon on October 12, 2009 at 14:28
The Welsh Defence League video is in the #Videos forum, just above this wall!
Comment by Netcon on October 12, 2009 at 14:27
1. I put some article links in the Press Room as well
2. There's a photo of an EDL guy giving a Nazi salute TO THE POLICE, ie saying they are behaving like fascists. But we need to get the message out that that doesn't work! Best to just never do any of those salutes, not even to the Nazi UAF.
3. I agree, we really need to know what the numbers of arrests are on each side. Need to assign somebody the job of counting 'our' arrests, so that we can subtract it from the police total and get the breakdown, because its not their job to keep that info.
Comment by Kinana on October 12, 2009 at 14:09
This comment from the police is great!

'Assistant Chief Constable Garry Shewan said: “I would like to thank all those people who came to Manchester today and protested peacefully for their patience and understanding.'

This reflects the statement by the EDL itself as per their website. There is more work to be done for sure but this is a good step in the right direction on the part of the police, though I have also heard that at times their behaviour toward the EDL participants were very not fair at all.

on another point about 10 Oct. In the two articles I have read the number of arrests are mentioned but no clue as to who/which side the arrestees were on. Any help here?

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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