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Untuk Kristen Indonesia menderita kekerasan dan penganiayaan dari fundamentalisme Islam. For Indonesian Christians suffering violence and persecution from Islamic fundamentalism.
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Stop ‘virginity tests’ & let women serve their country – HRW to Indonesian military chiefs
https://www.rt.com/news/410627-indonesia-virginity-tests-hrw
Christian Jakarta governor sentenced to 2 years for ‘blasphemy’ against Islam https://www.rt.com/news/387702-indonesia-governor-jailed-blasphemy
Christian governor of Jakarta to face trial over Islam ‘insult’ allegations
https://www.rt.com/news/367157-indonesia-governor-muslim-blasphemy
Anthony This is a response to your post June 19, 2013 at 9:26 I have only just noticed it, as I am trying to catch up what I missed during my absence You give a link that goes to " Why 72 per cent of Indonesians want sharia" based on a scare report from the Pew Research Center’s The World’s Muslims: Religion, Politics, and Society it concluded that 72 per cent of Muslim Indonesians, including women, prefer the implementation of sharia. The survey included 1,880 Indonesians
That is 1,880 Indonesians out of a population of 255.4 million WOW, because of this very erroneous survey most in the CJM label Indonesia as an Islamic shithole
This is far from the truth.
Just recently, Indonesia had elections, and once again all the islamist parties took a thrashing
No New Year’s fun: Indonesian city bans celebrations under Sharia law — RT News
http://rt.com/news/218927-indonesia-new-year-ban/
Virginity tests coming to Sumatra http://www.richarddawkins.net/news_articles/2013/8/26/mandatory-vir...
Alan, Good editing :-)
Thanks for the corrections Shiva. I agree, there is a wealth of historical material proving terrible crimes of Islam, so its a bad idea to weaken the case by including unreliable information.
Having agreed that those photos are not applicable to Islam though, the text commentary is reasonable. And I also know from Christian friends, of mass rape attacks by Muslims against Chinese Christians in Indonesia. This was before the prevalence of mobile phones with cameras, so its no surprise that there isn't the same photographic record of it.
The two pictures of so staged rape have a special meaning to me, because I posted them on the Swedish anti jihad site in 2004, then linked the posting to a discussion at Faith Freedom, there, a commentator pointed out to me that the pix were false, and he also gave links, it was because of this person who influenced me to be as correct as possible when posting images of a graphic nature.
Another pic that means a lot, is the headless body being dragged behind a motor cycle. That incident happened in a place called Banuwangi. I happen to know someone there, and he verified the incident.
Oh dear Alan, not one single image has anything to do with the situation of the Chinese,
The first five pix are moslem victims of Dayaks (Borneo Head Hunters) The next pic was previously posted to a web site entitled "Sexy Asian Schoolgirls" site on December 4, 1997
Here is the image from Anti Mullah and Wiki Islam
Now here are the same three again
Notice the bottom pick has minor censorship because the nipple on the woman's breast is covered with a thin tape
The other rape images are from East Timor
The picture below is from Oct 1999
Megawati Sukarnoputri supporters lie dead and injured minutes after a car bomb explosion near the parliament building.
News of Wahid's legislative win sparked violence in the streets of Jakarta, where tens of thousands of Megawati supporters had gathered to cheer their candidate to victory.
Three explosions rocked the city -- one just ahead of the vote -- injuring more than 20 people. Two people were killed in the second explosion, a car bomb that went off just outside the parliament building.
Demonstrators clashed with police and burned vehicles and toll booths during a march to the parliament building. Met by riot forces outside the swearing-in ceremony, the rioters stood face-to-face with the troops, who used tear gas and warning shots to control the crowd
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Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them.
At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.
Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.
We need to capture this information before it is removed. The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.
We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.
These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper).
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).
An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:
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