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At 22:43 on May 13, 2010, Kinana said…
I know the feeling! different rules apply to different fights. and others always try to control the agenda. respectful listening or at least silence while someone is speaking is often not part of the game plan! You must feel supported by ACT for America though. Keep up the fight.
At 10:09 on May 9, 2010, Kinana said…
yes please do keep us informed of your struggles. your experience is similar to mine. when reasoned discussion is not going well the voices get raised and the name calling begins! but keep your cool, there are people who are listening and changing because of your challenges.
At 16:45 on May 8, 2010, Kinana said…
'wish me luck I 'm headed out Thursday to the CAIR meeting.'

what happened?!
At 15:25 on May 8, 2010, Francis Xavier said…
Thankyou for your warm words linda,people have started to fight back a bit more since i wrote about my fears,this only helps in the fact that i now know i am not alone,yes you are right stay calm and keep going,i hope craig is ok,time will judge people like him as freedom fighters,free speech will liberate us all some time in the future and remember the people who shouted him down as faciasts. bless you
At 3:57 on March 10, 2010, linda jamshidi said…
Most Americans have an instinctive feeling that Islam is bad news, but because they don't do their homework they get into trouble with conniving, deceitful Muslims as is the case with Sheedog' s Craig. In dealing with Muslims you must do your homework. Keep calm and try not to raise your voice. if you start screaming and yelling then you have lost the confrontation. Its unfortunate that at the Downingtown Friends Meeting House, patriotic Americans were told to "shut up" when they asked the CAIR representative questions, and screamed at Craig when he also questioned the CAIR rep. These are supposed to be our fellow Americans! Thats why it is so important for those of us who love America to defend from within as well as without. Anyway...wish me luck I 'm headed out Thursday to the CAIR meeting. I do know my history and lets see how CAIR handles me.
At 15:02 on March 8, 2010, Netcon said…
Very disturbing. The best thing everyone can do is to train up our speech so that these allegations fail in law.
At 8:41 on March 8, 2010, Kinana said…
please tell us more. Start a discussion thread in the USA room. onward!
At 1:38 on March 8, 2010, linda jamshidi said…
Wanted to let those who read this site that a member of my group, the Sheepdogs, was arrested and now has to stand trial for speaking out against CAIR at a Downingtown, Pa friends meeting house seminar. Craig was handcuffed and taken into custody for distrubing the peace. The irony is Craig was arrested for speaking out against CAIR's lies yet CAIR, a known terrorist supportor group plays victim and gets away with it. Craig is set to stand trial next month at the West Chester court house. please keep Craig and his family in your thoughts and prayers. These are very sad times for my country.
At 18:44 on March 7, 2010, Kinana said…
Welcome to 4F. I look forward to your participation here.

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Mission Overview

Most Western societies are based on Secular Democracy, which itself is based on the concept that the open marketplace of ideas leads to the optimum government. Whilst that model has been very successful, it has defects. The 4 Freedoms address 4 of the principal vulnerabilities, and gives corrections to them. 

At the moment, one of the main actors exploiting these defects, is Islam, so this site pays particular attention to that threat.

Islam, operating at the micro and macro levels, is unstoppable by individuals, hence: "It takes a nation to protect the nation". There is not enough time to fight all its attacks, nor to read them nor even to record them. So the members of 4F try to curate a representative subset of these events.

We need to capture this information before it is removed.  The site already contains sufficient information to cover most issues, but our members add further updates when possible.

We hope that free nations will wake up to stop the threat, and force the separation of (Islamic) Church and State. This will also allow moderate Muslims to escape from their totalitarian political system.

The 4 Freedoms

These 4 freedoms are designed to close 4 vulnerabilities in Secular Democracy, by making them SP or Self-Protecting (see Hobbes's first law of nature). But Democracy also requires - in addition to the standard divisions of Executive, Legislature & Judiciary - a fourth body, Protector of the Open Society (POS), to monitor all its vulnerabilities (see also Popper). 
1. SP Freedom of Speech
Any speech is allowed - except that advocating the end of these freedoms
2. SP Freedom of Election
Any party is allowed - except one advocating the end of these freedoms
3. SP Freedom from Voter Importation
Immigration is allowed - except where that changes the political demography (this is electoral fraud)
4. SP Freedom from Debt
The Central Bank is allowed to create debt - except where that debt burden can pass across a generation (25 years).

An additional Freedom from Religion is deducible if the law is applied equally to everyone:

  • Religious and cultural activities are exempt from legal oversight except where they intrude into the public sphere (Res Publica)"

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