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It takes a nation to protect the nation

It is very much worth it to spend the time on John Rays Monographs on leftism. Some mysteries are explained and there are a lot of tools to counter their propaganda:

http://jonjayray.bravehost.com/

Download it, archive it, print it, read it to your children and grandchildren in the evening.

Part 1: THE MOTIVATIONS OF POLITICAL LEFTISTS
Part 2: WHY ARE PEOPLE LEFTISTS?


Hitler was a Socialist
Modern Leftism as recycled Fascism

Leftism as Psychopathy

AUTHORITARIANISM IS LEFTIST, NOT RIGHTIST

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Comment by pyrus on December 13, 2009 at 18:24
the gang of four certainly is an interesting one

I think we need to seize on high profile 'left' and 'right' supporters in order to show that both 'extremes' can agree on things

questioning whether the right/left distinction is valid may seem like an evasive tactic - better to discourage people from discriminating on this basis than questioning the validity of the distinction

Much better if people were inclined to say 'I don't care whether agreeing with you makes me right wing or left wing'
Comment by Kinana on December 11, 2009 at 8:58
this 'left/right'; 'left wing/right wing' language is very tiresome.
it hardly identifies anything these days that is specific. it seems to be a throw back 50-60 years ago when supposedly everyone knew the meaning of these words.
they are still used in the media with almost zero meaning except to imply moral approval or disapproval of certain groups.
we need to help those caught up in this sort of discourse to be able to state clearly just what the hell they are talking about!
i will however have a look at some of these links as a trip down memory lane, and see what the author has to say about whether the 'gang of four' was left or right!
thanks
Comment by pyrus on December 10, 2009 at 23:53
I don't know how helpful this would be in 'countering propaganda' - so far it's been so effective

for example, tell someone that the BNP have worryingly leftish tendencies (among other things) and they won't debate the issue with you, they'll just tell you you're wrong - everyone knows that the BNP are far right, right?

It's just the prevailing orthodoxy, and it will take a lot to correct it.

Daniel Hannan's been on a bit of a mission to combat this view that the BNP are a right wing party (I would link but my internet connection is letting me down).

interesting link though - thanks for sharing, intend to give it a proper read soon

For me the 4 freedoms are very much in line with my (right wing) position - so I assume that most members of this site are towards the right of the political spectrum.

But the left is not necessarily our enemy - it's only some of its machinations that we should fear

A libertarian 'leftist' will no doubt tend to see the right as authoritarians, and a libertarian 'rightist' will no doubt see the left as authoritarians

I do, however, think that history shows a much greater tendency towards the latter

I'm in danger of waffling all over your post - apologies!

What I do particularly agree with is highlighting Hitler's socialist agenda.

I'm not a socialist (by any stretch of the imagination). That, as well as a great many other things, mean that I'm not the biggest fan of Nazism (or any form of National Socialism).

But I am a nationalist (of sorts). Some elements from the left seem to have managed to convince everyone that the 'nasty' bits of National Socialism come from the 'National' bit, and that (consequently) we should be wary of things like national pride, whilst increasing authoritarian socialism or bullying socialists (the UAF anyone?) shouldn't concern us all.

We need to redress the balance.

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